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Rubio is the son of immigrants and hates immigrants, a clown of the first order who would be out of politics but for a lack of any better FL US senate options. He's a safe ignore

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02-15-2017 , 10:59 PM

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I meant that his approval rating would have to drop below 20% to get impeached. It's in the 40's now.

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02-15-2017 , 11:07 PM

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I meant that his approval rating would have to drop below 20% to get impeached. It's in the 40's now.

Yeah, I was just making a bad joke because your post could be read as you using your guess to measure a distance that was being presented as less of a guess

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02-15-2017 , 11:27 PM

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kinda confused why repulitards would not line up in mass to investigate this.

he's not one of them
he openly attacked many of them
they still get everything they want if he's gone and pence has the pen.

plus, as soon as they get on board, lolfoxnews would turn in a heartbeat to "ohhh nooooeees the russians!!!" and get their entire base behind them and they'd probably all win re-election in landslides in their funky shaped districts.

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02-15-2017 , 11:32 PM

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cuz he has an 87% approval rating among republicans

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02-15-2017 , 11:35 PM

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The majority of these people's base puts Trump over GOP, and this has been demonstrated in ridiculous poll drops any time they tentatively put their toes in principled waters. Both before and after the election.

They realize that they let a guy get into power who they can't criticize without losing their jobs. They realize the monster they've created.

But they didn't learn the lesson, because they still think time can tame the monster. That, and they're unprincipled cowards.

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02-15-2017 , 11:46 PM

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meh, it is the same people they have been fooling for years. they'll follow anyone fox tells them to.

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02-15-2017 , 11:52 PM

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Except the true believers jumped ship, and it's hard to get them back in. There are reasons they found Trump more appealing. And they've been conditioned to believe the establishment is out to get them, long before they learned that the Trump is their antiestablishment savior.

Trump convinced them that EVEN THE GOP was part of the establishment. You can't get that cat back in the bag. There is no play where the GOP just "does a better job convincing the feeble minded." Because "trying to convince them" is proof to these people that you're trying to scam them. It's proof that Trump is doing something "right" since the establishment wants to stop him.

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02-15-2017 , 11:53 PM

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I agree that this what most of these spineless Rs are thinking, but I'm not sure I agree with their conclusion. If they impeach Trump, then sure their base will be pissed. But it's not like those guys are gonna vote D. At it's not like there's another Trump waiting in the wings.

So if all these guys just impeach Trump and get FoxNews to brainwash, they can go HAM for four years, they could do a lot more damage than the bumbling orange fool. Most of them would win reelection but maybe they lose a few because the base is less enthusiastic and some stay home. Seems like a better plan if I'm Ryan, et al.

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02-15-2017 , 11:55 PM

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Seems to me Flynn story is fizzling out already.

Gonna make the left look nuts again as usual.

Ofc with this administration, fizzling out means it's dead if nothing changes by saturday

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02-15-2017 , 11:58 PM

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meh, it is the same people they have been fooling for years. they'll follow anyone fox tells them to.

agree. if Trump is at 87% approval, Pence would be 95%

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02-15-2017 , 11:58 PM

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@Melkerson

There's no chance there isn't mass primarying that cost hundreds of these people their jobs in 2018, even if they got Trump out TODAY and began trying to mend fences and trying to give their base every piece of red meat they could think of.

But investigation proceeding to impeachment proceding to removal will actually take so much time that it goes past the 2018 primaries and then elections.

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02-16-2017 , 12:13 AM

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Alabama Governor Skuttle Investigation/Impeachment Coverup Corruption Scandal Update:

Alabama's NEW Attorney General (his name eludes me) has gone from "I'm not even sure if my office is conducting an investigation." to a slightly different, "I recuse myself from the investigation."

Riveting stuff!

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02-16-2017 , 12:30 AM

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Alabama could be so ****ing great if one hive mind didn't control it

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02-16-2017 , 12:35 AM

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I learned last week in team trivia that Alabama is bigger than PA, VA or IN. Fascinating

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02-16-2017 , 12:51 AM

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I just don't see the mass primarying happening. You think a ton of penniless mini trumps are going to spring up and challenge all these incumbent senators and reps. The guys in office now will have incumbency, name recongnition, and money on their side. I think there may be a few casualties, but the large majority would survive.

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02-16-2017 , 01:12 AM

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Maybe there won't be mass primarying, but it won't be because there's nobody with money to run a campaign. Your characterization of who runs, who finances, who organizes, and why... it's all off here.

People see a spot and they take it. It's not down to whether some medicaid grandpa decides to run

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02-16-2017 , 01:31 AM

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The penniless was hyperbole. Kochs are going to be on the side of the GOPe. Them plus traditional GOPe sources are going to have a significant financial advantage over challengers.

I really think that, plus a couple of years of pandering and spinning (having FoxNews on board here is huge) keeps most incumbents safe from being primaried.

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02-16-2017 , 01:43 AM

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Can one of you navy or ex navy people tell me why I shouldn't worry about this Russian spy boat off the east coast? I mean wtf

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02-16-2017 , 01:43 AM

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Blame Eric Cantor. I'm sure they all remember him getting primaried back in 2014 on the same sort of anti-establishment fervor, and that was without impeaching an anti-establishment president on his record. Remember, the thing about congressional primaries is that no one cares, so if you piss off even a small fraction of the electorate enough to get them to turn out in droves, you're in trouble.

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02-16-2017 , 02:02 AM

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Cantor was kind of on his own. What I'm envisioning is that the entire GOPe just goes all in on impeaching Trump. Sure there will be few casualties, but if they get Pence in there, they can push their agenda a lot more effectively. Not impeaching him probably increases each individual congress critter's re-election EV, but it lowers the amount of policy they can advance (because so much time and effort will need to be devoted to handling Trump and his ****). I guess for the rest of us, it's better that their priorities are not the other way around.

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02-16-2017 , 02:03 AM

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Koch Brothers gonna go wherever it makes sense for them to go

And they don't have a couple years because it will take years to remove him

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02-16-2017 , 02:15 AM

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Koch Brothers gonna go wherever it makes sense for them to go

And they don't have a couple years because it will take years to remove him

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Koch bros are clearly going to whichever wing of GOPe is less Trumpy. They ****ing hate the guy.

Impeachment will take a while for sure, but the spin/pandering would be going on concurrently. If Fox was piling on Trump rather than fellating him for two years while impeachment proceedings are going on, that would probably help a lot.

I think the reason why large portions of the GOPe rejecting Trump didn't work before is because they were in games (primary, general election) with specific rules that wouldn't allow them to simply throw him out. Now it's a new game and they can do exactly that.

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02-16-2017 , 02:19 AM

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Throwing him out is a weak move unless he is leaving you almost no choice.

It's like in Sopranos when they made Junior boss, business went as usual and they had a lightning rod on top to take the hit and FBI surveillance.

He is immensely popular with the base and can advance most of the agenda you want while taking most of the criticism off of others. It is a pretty nice situation for the GOP as long as he doesn't go completely off the rails.

They might like Mike Pence more but Mike Pence isn't getting rural voters in the Midwest to vote GOP the way Trump is. And there are still bigly elections in 2-4 years.