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02-08-2017 , 10:02 AM
Republicans defund the one federal agency designated to oversee election fraud and fairness. 5,000,000 illegal votes tho.

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02-08-2017 , 10:14 AM
At this ppint the fewer federal agencies that exist the better considering Trump is basically in charge of them all.
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02-08-2017 , 10:20 AM
The plan is basically to eliminate them all so you may get your wish.
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02-08-2017 , 10:22 AM
Remember when there were occasional anecdotes about someone who voted because they wanted to repeal Obamacare because they didn't know it's the same thing as the Affordable Care Act? Funny story about that:

One-Third Don’t Know Obamacare and Affordable Care Act Are the Same

Evidently only 28% of Republican voters though weirdly higher numbers of millennials. Once again I suppose I am faced with the sin of having overestimated the masses. To be honest, I think I just need to get used to it, since thinking of these people as being as stupid as they indicate would be really insulting, and I'm not sure I'm even that rude. Like, how do these people tie their shoes?
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02-08-2017 , 10:26 AM
Wow this speech.

18-24 month vetting process. Can't give a week notice because all the bad guys will pour in. Got it.
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02-08-2017 , 10:33 AM
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Originally Posted by niss
yeah this is pretty much totally wrong ... you might want to, like, brush up on the republican party of the last 8 years
he believes it.

they all do.

its bc they cant understand someone not being evil and corrupt. so they automatically just think the dems have some selfish agenda for promoting things like civil rights, the environment, not letting corporations run amok, and all that.

its completely inconceivable to these ppl that anyone would promote something bc it is the right thing to do, bc these ppl have no moral compass.
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02-08-2017 , 10:39 AM
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Originally Posted by Riverman
Ben Sasse is scary. Says all the right stuff, always falls in line. **** him.
So much this. Gives "reasonable Republicans" an out when he talks and acts like a principled small government Republican then just gives into whatever the Orange Fuhrer wants.
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02-08-2017 , 10:40 AM
Something that I believe could be a helpful project is to put together data of what people actually pay in taxes based on different income levels and show what that money goes to pay for based on percentage of the budget. This needs to be done in an easy to understand way, and feature some nice brightly colored charts. This is important in getting people to understand what their money actually goes to and what benefit they receive from it.
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02-08-2017 , 10:48 AM
Everyone should be spending any energy they want to spend on a project around 2018. There should be a legit 2018.com or something with very specific agendas of what needs to happen and where it needs to happen and make it very simple for people to understand what they need to do.
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02-08-2017 , 10:50 AM
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Originally Posted by PocketChads
Lol you. Just naked grudge holding with open contempt for facts and context
You want it to be one way, but its the other.

I hate ignorant, bombastic, self-important, radical politicians who threaten democracy, freedom, and the economic standing of our country and its people. This is why I speak out against Trump.

I hate ignorant, bombastic, self-important, radical politicians who threaten capitalism, the financial system, and the economic standing of our country and its people. This is why I speak out against Warren.

If Trump was shut down, even on a topic I agree with him on which are few and far between, then I would celebrate because standing up to dangerous radicals in powerful positions is important regardless of why it is taking place.

Partisan politics where we cheer for everyone with D/R beside their name simply because of what "team" they are on is disgusting and what led us down this road. Liberals hating Republicans and conservatives hating Democrats regardless of the specific individual or policy in question is what led us to Trump. Being unwilling to admit that there are people on "our team" that are trying to implement disgusting or damaging policies is the precise and largest current threat to our country from the populace.

We need to stop taking sides just to take sides and understand that both parties have people who deserve no power and push policies that would harm the country.


And if you need citations on why I hate Warren I have laid them out multiple times in this thread. She is the worst of the worst on the left and a specific threat to the stability of the economy and financial system. People, including the left, didn't seem to like the recession and financial crisis so I am not sure why they want to do things to increase the risk of another recession by putting the power of financial regulation in Warren's hands.
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02-08-2017 , 10:51 AM
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Originally Posted by ClarkNasty
I'm sure that'll go over well with Americans traveling abroad once reciprocity kicks in.
Trump supporters don't travel abroad. Its too scary and costs too much money.
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02-08-2017 , 10:56 AM
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Originally Posted by RV Life
If you think they are on equal par, you are the one that is gullible.

LOL @ you if you think the Dems would have the equivalent of Sessions, DeVos, Bannon, Miller, Conway, etc. in HC's White House.
Yea, because people like Reid, Pelosi, Lynch, Schumer and Weiner are just great people trying to serve the public. **** off
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02-08-2017 , 11:02 AM
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Originally Posted by CalledDownLight
You want it to be one way, but its the other.

I hate ignorant, bombastic, self-important, radical politicians who threaten democracy, freedom, and the economic standing of our country and its people. This is why I speak out against Trump.

I hate ignorant, bombastic, self-important, radical politicians who threaten capitalism, the financial system, and the economic standing of our country and its people. This is why I speak out against Warren.

If Trump was shut down, even on a topic I agree with him on which are few and far between, then I would celebrate because standing up to dangerous radicals in powerful positions is important regardless of why it is taking place.

Partisan politics where we cheer for everyone with D/R beside their name simply because of what "team" they are on is disgusting and what led us down this road. Liberals hating Republicans and conservatives hating Democrats regardless of the specific individual or policy in question is what led us to Trump. Being unwilling to admit that there are people on "our team" that are trying to implement disgusting or damaging policies is the precise and largest current threat to our country from the populace.

We need to stop taking sides just to take sides and understand that both parties have people who deserve no power and push policies that would harm the country.


And if you need citations on why I hate Warren I have laid them out multiple times in this thread. She is the worst of the worst on the left and a specific threat to the stability of the economy and financial system. People, including the left, didn't seem to like the recession and financial crisis so I am not sure why they want to do things to increase the risk of another recession by putting the power of financial regulation in Warren's hands.
so while the republicans are a united front and seek to crush any sort of resistance or achievement of dems, the dems should challenge themselves on certain topics and pick and choose which policies to promote?

kinda doubt that will work.
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02-08-2017 , 11:22 AM
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Originally Posted by Wooders0n
Everyone should be spending any energy they want to spend on a project around 2018. There should be a legit 2018.com or something with very specific agendas of what needs to happen and where it needs to happen and make it very simple for people to understand what they need to do.
This might interest you

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/41...3/index17.html

Some work being done in that thread
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02-08-2017 , 11:24 AM
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Originally Posted by manbearpuig
Yea, because people like Reid, Pelosi, Lynch, Schumer and Weiner are just great people trying to serve the public. **** off
Suspect this is another example of; "Just because they are better in a side-by-side comparison does not mean they are superior, since they are not perfect beatific paragons of virtue."

Right? Just because they're better doesn't mean they're better. Both sides are, binary, bad thus "the same"?
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02-08-2017 , 11:26 AM
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Originally Posted by CalledDownLight
And if you need citations on why I hate Warren I have laid them out multiple times in this thread. She is the worst of the worst on the left and a specific threat to the stability of the economy and financial system. People, including the left, didn't seem to like the recession and financial crisis so I am not sure why they want to do things to increase the risk of another recession by putting the power of financial regulation in Warren's hands.
What would you do differently to help insure against another meltdown? How would gutting the CFPB (> 1 million complaints received and counting btw) and repealing Dodd-Frank accomplish this?
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02-08-2017 , 11:44 AM
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Originally Posted by Victor
so while the republicans are a united front and seek to crush any sort of resistance or achievement of dems, the dems should challenge themselves on certain topics and pick and choose which policies to promote?

kinda doubt that will work.
no, the dems should unite as well, but this means Warren needs to be reigned in on her ludicrous views on financial regulation and preferably primaried at the next opportunity.
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02-08-2017 , 12:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Namath12
What would you do differently to help insure against another meltdown? How would gutting the CFPB (> 1 million complaints received and counting btw) and repealing Dodd-Frank accomplish this?
Well for one the law is so complex that financial institutions have had to build out their legal and compliance teams in order to make sure they actually comply. The implicit and explicit costs of compliance are huge and have negatives effects on smaller institutions more than larger ones which contributes to consolidation in the industry and fewer options for consumers or other clients.

One other major issue with Dodd-Frank is that the people writing the law are not as smart as the people being regulated. So some of the companies being regulated are smart enough to find loopholes which will be exploited (and should be exploited) that could cause rippling effects that would be harder to see and counter in advance.

Separately, certain restrictions (both proposed and already in effect) actually restrict certain types of transactions in a manner that makes it more difficult to mitigate certain risks and thus put the financial markets/institution/portfolio in more risky situations than they would be otherwise.

Finally, some of the laws do nothing to discourage or make it more difficult for people actually wanting to break the law, but place a large burden on the good actors. If a law hampers the good actors in the system then it needs to actually stop the bad actors.
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02-08-2017 , 12:05 PM
Dodd frank was in position to obliterate munis and pension plans as of a few weeks ago until buy/sell side came together to figure things out because the people who wrote it are morons

Margin rules are slated to become effective in 3.5 weeks and the biggest names in the market as of today are roughly 3% complaint despite spending tons of money and resources (which will be based on to end users) on becoming compliant.
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02-08-2017 , 12:13 PM
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Originally Posted by manbearpuig
Yea, because people like Reid, Pelosi, Lynch, Schumer and Weiner are just great people trying to serve the public. **** off
Why are you telling me to **** off? You can't have a discussion without getting angry and calling people names? LOL typical GOP slappy.

LOL @ you listing those names in comparison to what's already in Trump's WH. Only in your mind is Anthony Weiner on par with Steve Bannon or Jeff Sessions. Snapping dick pics is the same as being a white supremacist. Got it. And Pelosi? What a bitch, right? Why didn't you mention Warren? Too angry to even type her name?
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02-08-2017 , 12:42 PM
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Originally Posted by diskoteque
Dodd frank was in position to obliterate munis and pension plans as of a few weeks ago until buy/sell side came together to figure things out because the people who wrote it are morons

Margin rules are slated to become effective in 3.5 weeks and the biggest names in the market as of today are roughly 3% complaint despite spending tons of money and resources (which will be based on to end users) on becoming compliant.
It's great that I can't tell if this is a typo or just an exaggeration. Like I'm sure it's more than 3% complaint, by volume.
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02-08-2017 , 12:45 PM
compliant
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02-08-2017 , 12:48 PM
trump tweeting it's unfair that a business is no longer selling his daughters crap. I imagine it's because nobody's buying it anymore. At least that line is made in china.

pensions should be scrapped, put in 1-2 year of $, take out 20+ is theft. Certainly unsustainable.
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02-08-2017 , 12:51 PM
Well, I sure am glad to see that our resident finance bros assure us that some small changes to financial rules are worth having an openly racist attorney general to rubber stamp Donald Trump's illegal actions. I was starting to worry about the state of the country!
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02-08-2017 , 12:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Holliday
It's great that I can't tell if this is a typo or just an exaggeration. Like I'm sure it's more than 3% complaint, by volume.


3% of agreements are compliant. 97% still need to be negotiated and executed.

Phone stuff
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