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01-31-2017 , 12:18 PM
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Originally Posted by VarianceMinefield
Nope, I think you guys are showing more rage over a temporary ban from some countries(that Obama administration selected)
lol

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, than you reacted when Obama drone striked a US citizen.
false.
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01-31-2017 , 12:20 PM
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Originally Posted by CalledDownLight
Eddy is clearly either trolling in which case his posts don't matter or has it so deeply ingrained in him that liberals are bad that its simply going to take a lot of time for him to see how bad things are and understand that this is what many people who opposed Trump were scared of.


See I don't judge or hate groups of people based on the group they are in. I judge by actions. Obama did good things, he did things I didn't like. Trump has said things I liked, but has done things I don't like. I don't wait for somebody I hate to do things or say things so I can start creating false narratives about them. People have enough ammunition on him without making up lies about what he believes.
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01-31-2017 , 12:21 PM
Hoya, any jobs available?
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01-31-2017 , 12:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Victor
yup, the republican party is just completely deplorable and irredeemable.



these republicans dont exist. the whole party loves this. they have been dying for a chance to institute these sickening policies for a long time.
Our own governor is a decent, human repub. The legislature practically hates him these days it seems.
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01-31-2017 , 12:29 PM
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Originally Posted by CPHoya
It is hard. Fundraising is very hard. Forming a 501(c)(3) with a 1023-EZ is easy. Forming a good board of directors is hard.

And on and on.

The good news: there are people with very similar ideas all over the country, and we're slowly networking effectively.

Cannot keep up with the speed of his decisions, is frustrating. I should've been organizing this a year ago.
I'm guessing you're a long way off from this, but I can provide free data analytics help on an ad hoc basis, if desired.
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01-31-2017 , 12:30 PM
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Originally Posted by PocketChads
Is that your final solution?
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Originally Posted by ClarkNasty
Victor, that was over the line. Gonna ask you again to please moderate some of your posting.
heres the thing. its over. its no longer a free society. and we will never go back. can you think of a time when the government ever gave up some of its power? whats that stupid platitude? cant put the toothpaste back in or something.

so its either let these scumbags stay in control and continue to destroy humanity. or do what it takes to remove them from power. but make no mistake, when and if we get back in power, then it still be an authoritarian and fascist regime. just gotta hope its benevolent.

regardless, they fight and cheat and win bc of it. so the only way to remove them is to fight just as dirty. we must gerrymander, we must engage in fake news, we must troll and astroturf. we must shout down these right wing voices and make sure they are irrelevant.

otherwise its over. well, its already over, but Id prefer a "good" fascist than these evil ones. bc thats the only choice left.
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01-31-2017 , 12:31 PM
What do we know about Gorsuch and Hardiman?
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01-31-2017 , 12:36 PM
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Originally Posted by StoppedRainingMen
What do we know about Gorsuch and Hardiman?
Im gonna just guess, anti-immigration, anti-lgbt, anti-abortion, pro "states rights." proly a terrible record on civil rights. and possible some racist issues in their past.
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01-31-2017 , 12:38 PM
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Originally Posted by ClarkNasty
Hoya,

Can you elaborate on the objectives and methods for your nonprofit and if we can help somehow should we desire.
Not yet, except to say the following thing, which is a snippet I've been using to vaguely explain what we're trying to accomplish:

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I'm starting a non-activist non-partisan non-profit that focuses upon the provision of clear and accurate information in not-quite Basic English, but close.

We accordingly plan to make appearances for public discussion, lecture and Q&A on these issues, with frequency.

Once it goes live, which has been and will continue to be hard work with regard to funding, I'll let everyone know.

The goal is to encourage specifically the kinds of people who feel that accurate information is unavailable to seek that information from clear and concise sources that respect their engagement.

We cannot launch until we have enough usable, simple information on critical topics to make the website / podcast / outreach / meetings valuable. I cannot do all of that myself, thus the funding and outreach to potential contributors.

It cannot be a quick process.
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Originally Posted by tabbaker
Hoya, any jobs available?
Not yet, but we'll see how successful this ends up being.

There is a critical need for graphic designers and for researchers more than anything else. It is important to know that we cannot ever be wrong, and the way to never be wrong is to source everything. That makes the preparation of the launch materials laborious. As a practicing litigator, as you can imagine, I am unable to do all of this.

Everyone who has PM'd me or mentioned being willing to assist has been put in a spreadsheet and will be contacted as soon as I have something concrete for them to do, if they want to do it. Every single person who has offered assistance of any kind has humbled me. I'm perpetually embarrassed that I'm the person trying to do this, instead of some of my friends from law school who didn't detour for like a decade into WEREWOLF and lame legal jobs that meant nothing to the people of this earth, so to hear people voice encouragement is kind of amazing because it is so contradictory with how I view my choices to date.
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01-31-2017 , 12:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Victor
heres the thing. its over. its no longer a free society. and we will never go back. can you think of a time when the government ever gave up some of its power? whats that stupid platitude? cant put the toothpaste back in or something.



so its either let these scumbags stay in control and continue to destroy humanity. or do what it takes to remove them from power. but make no mistake, when and if we get back in power, then it still be an authoritarian and fascist regime. just gotta hope its benevolent.



regardless, they fight and cheat and win bc of it. so the only way to remove them is to fight just as dirty. we must gerrymander, we must engage in fake news, we must troll and astroturf. we must shout down these right wing voices and make sure they are irrelevant.



otherwise its over. well, its already over, but Id prefer a "good" fascist than these evil ones. bc thats the only choice left.


What's that old saying, if you wrestle in the mud with a pig you both get dirty but only the pig enjoys it?
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01-31-2017 , 12:45 PM
the people that digest the breitbart's of the world are not looking for a source of 'facts'. they already have that in their opinion.
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01-31-2017 , 12:50 PM
To the extent that we fail to encourage intellectual curiosity, we will fail to reach our goals. That's the game.
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01-31-2017 , 12:55 PM
Senator Blumenthal is killing it right now on the Sessions confirmation
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01-31-2017 , 01:10 PM
Hoya, do you mean like a Snopes? Or are you trying to become an actual news source
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01-31-2017 , 01:13 PM
how many people are going to cuck out and vote for him anyway?
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01-31-2017 , 01:18 PM
The Dems need to get top psychologists to come up with a plan to counteract the bias that the average GOP voter has. Because pointing out facts does not matter. I think there's a lot of D-K effect **** going on. A good example is people saying CNN is fake news while blissfully unaware Bannon has ties w/ Breitbart. It just doesn't register with them. And Donald Trump saying in that press conference to CNN "You are fake news!" just feeds into that ideology. Nothing will change until the Dems can get the average GOP voter to understand this. And I'm not sure it's possible. They literally think liberals are sheeple brainwashed by the lamestream media and that THEY are the smart ones.
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01-31-2017 , 01:23 PM
I'm not sure what qualifies as "fake news" but the fact that CNN employees tried to rig the debates against Trump should give everyone (whether you are pro or anti trump) some pause when reading an anti-trump CNN article. I don't think it's unreasonable for someone to be skeptical. That being said, i don't doubt that Trump is taking advantage of that perception by dismissing everything he doesn't like as fake news. I know that woman was ultimately fired but we are definitely living in a time where we should all be skeptical of what we read on the internet, moreso now than ever.

It's sort of like the 4th quarter of an NBA playoff game.
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01-31-2017 , 01:24 PM
according to david frum on morning edition, he said that twitter reinstated a bunch of alt-right troll accounts after trump was elected fearing potential anti-trust investigations

man
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01-31-2017 , 01:26 PM
Victor crushing today. Love mad Victor.


Think he's mostly right. Though I'd say play dirty better instead of just play their same lame game back at them. Like actually harm them. Harm their lives. Hack them, steal from them, trainwreck them, extort them, etc;
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01-31-2017 , 01:32 PM
there is an article on breitbart about the ceo of goldman's statement against the travel ban. the comments section is expectedly hilariously anti-goldman of course.
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01-31-2017 , 01:33 PM
Lol Disko.
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01-31-2017 , 01:33 PM
I've read a lot about how, when confronted with facts counter to one's beliefs, people just dig in deeper and believe their false beliefs even more to avoid the displeasure associated with cognitive dissonance. There is no overcoming this with regards to most people.

The most recent thing I read on this was in The Atlantic this morning. It said that scientifically curious people, that is, people who like reading about discoveries, facts counter to their views, and whatnot, can be swayed.

So Hoya is correct that the venture will fail if they do not spark intellectual curiosity. I believe that will be infinitely more important than anything else and that the brunt of his organization's efforts will need to be focused there.

I've long thought that the root of our political problems stem from lack of education. A society of critical thinkers wouldn't get rube'd by this rube.

"I love the poorly educated" - POTUS
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01-31-2017 , 01:35 PM
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Lol Disko.


(Guy who believes everything he reads on the internet)
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01-31-2017 , 01:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Wooders0n
Victor crushing today. Love mad Victor.


Think he's mostly right. Though I'd say play dirty better instead of just play their same lame game back at them. Like actually harm them. Harm their lives. Hack them, steal from them, trainwreck them, extort them, etc;


cliffs on how to go about this?
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01-31-2017 , 01:41 PM
murder
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