Temper tantrum?

Well sure but thats just baseline at this point. Temper tantrum annnnndddd....Temper tantrum annnddddd.....

He really is a horrible, horrible public speaker when not off the cuff. Sounds like the lead usher going up and reading a few passages.

I mean literally every single news article you read about him or any captioning of any of his speeches or addresses are just ****ing gibberish. Its like everything he says is the fat guy who ran all the way to get help and is too out of breath to make sentences. I get nervous speaking in public but I still occasionally form real genuine sentences.

It's either Grandpa Simpson gibberish off the cuff, or 8th grade speech class from a B- student.

Well said.

Having said that, I am curious, and more than a bit skeptical, to see how well people remember the dangers of power concentrating in the Executive once they get Their Guy in the chair.

Yeah I'm grasping at straws

congrats to obama for clinching worst and last president ever.

I need a quick, sharp line in response to the bolded part. i've already got the facts stuff down. TIA

A critique of callousness, racism, and xenophobia anywhere is a critique of callousness, racism, and xenophobia everywhere.

Disproportionately greater amounts of callousness, racism and xenophobia, such as those exhibited by the Trump administration's already-ruled-unconstitutional acts, demand louder and firmer censure and critique than the prior acts your false equivalency refers to.

No, you!

Cheers, dudes. Already had something about false equivalency in, but I am no wordsmith.

Are you already up to speed on the significant issues with (a) and (c)?

I've stalled about halfway through reading Cadillac Desert, but given how apocalyptic it feels (and looking for prior discussion on the book on 2p2 I've seen that you read it as well) for water in California and the fact that the population has exploded a lot since it was written - is the issue just that agriculture is the biggest drain on CA's water resources, and as long as we scale back on that then 40 million people really can live here?

I mean it depends on who the guy is. If its a Glenn Greenwald type, then just say, yeah sure, you are right. But next time you might want to focus on slamming the historically awful candidate through the election rather than say yeah they are terrible but will never win so no need to talk about them again.

If its a Trumpkin, then the appropriate response is 1) lol, or 2) good point, I agree we should protest callousness, racism, and xenophobia regardless of who is perpetrating it. You seem to be very well versed on these issues, so lead the way brother.

This is my take.

Also, she didn't refuse to defend because district court decided against the EO, she refused because she believed the EO was unconstitutional. If prosecutor pursues a case vs a defendant he believes is innocent that's breach of ethics and likely criminal, even if president says to pursue.

Depends on your definition of up to speed, but i've got some good citations on the fact-checks of both of those points.

Seems like it's lawyers arguing with lawyers, but feel free to jump in.

Sadly, facts don't matter, and fact checks are lol.

So I'm an active duty soldier with an immigrant wife. I feel like there's a nonzero chance I die in the next four years fighting someone in California while my wife watches the news in Asia because she can't get back into the country. Good times.

This may be redundant then, but just in case:
- the 2011 thing has, like, one source on the entire internet which is an ABC News article from 2013 so it's hard for someone to suggest people should have been protesting something that wasn't even reported until refugees were already being accepted again
- the list of countries was not used by the Obama administration to block people from those countries, it was used as an exception to the Visa Waiver Program (the program through which people from places like the EU/Australia/etc can enter the US without a visa, and vice versa) - under that exception, people from visa-free countries (so not even the countries on that list) who had visited the countries on the list would be subject to extra scrutiny and had to get a visa in a situation where they otherwise wouldn't have. Trump was basically like "oh look, these countries are already enshrined in this other law used for different purposes so we can take advantage of that to just ban everyone from those countries"

People use less than 20% of the fresh water. The total (not just rate) water used by people has been declining for a long time thanks to conservation regulations. People are less price sensitive to water. You need it and it's affordable.

Don't believe the signs you read on I5. Their lack of water is their problem. The CA aqueduct was paid for with special assessments on socal people water bills so socal people would have water. There isn't enough water to give a whole bunch away to farms south of Stockton, but there is plenty for people.

The northern part of the state flush with water and there's agriculture up there too.

They slay me every time

Yeah, i think i am going to be the loser here for sure. I'm sure i'll cope with an unfriend and some awkward gym conversations.

Let's not go overboard with the Shaun King style "Sally Yates is an American hero" type stuff just yet. As has been pointed out already, she was gone tomorrow no matter what.

I'd be a lot more impressed if she had ordered people to stand down over the weekend when everything was still up in the air. Presumably some relatively low-level DOJ employee had to walk into each of those District Courts and defend the EO while LPRs were still getting detained in airports all over the place.

She must have known about the suits, and probably had some hand in deciding what the position would be at the time. Would have been an order of magnitude more awesome if she had flown into EDNY and read that letter in open court, instead of basically leaking it on purpose via sending it to every single DOJ attorney in the system at 5PM the day before she gets canned.

Still better than just resigning without saying anything in this situation though.