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02-10-2016 , 12:34 PM
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Originally Posted by CPHoya
It would seem that Bernie is about to handily lose Nevada and South Carolina. Then I guess we're supposed to think he has a shot at Michigan?

Meanwhile Hilldawg's superdelegate advantage is like 370 to 2 or something like that. I don't think there's enough FEELING of the BERN to overcome what's about to be a brutal month for Bernie.

lol @ the Republican party btw, just lol, your frontrunner isn't a Republican or a conservative, he's just a pro-business bigot with no policy proposals to speak of, and your other option is a hated imbecile wanter, gj
The superdelagates would face tremendous pressure to feel the bern if bern actually gets more people to vote for him and wins more delegates.

Not saying I think that will happen, but if bern has a substantial plurality of delegates then there will be a tremendous outcry at the convention if hildawg tries to get her super delegates to put her over the top.
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02-10-2016 , 12:35 PM
The oil companies are not getting their moneys worth, that's for sure
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02-10-2016 , 12:35 PM
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Originally Posted by CalledDownLight
how do you know this? I know he has been acting extremely racist since announcing his campaign, but I tend to believe it is all political.
People who aren't racist don't say and do a bunch of racist things all the time. He might not be 60s KKK style racist but he's very likely to have uttered the phrase "I don't have any problem with black people, but I do have a problem with thugs"
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02-10-2016 , 12:37 PM
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Originally Posted by THAY3R
Trump tho


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This is great. If he does somehow become president I hope he follows through on this.
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02-10-2016 , 12:38 PM
The simple fact that Trump is running with his own money and refusing to take any from supporters is overlooked to a huge degree.

One could argue that every politician except Trump will get to the white house owing favors.

That in and of itself is pretty huge. Even if you don't agree with all of the things he says, the dude doesn't give a ****, and you have to respect it.
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02-10-2016 , 12:41 PM
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Originally Posted by CPHoya
btw his victory "speech" sounded a lot more like a bad wedding speech, was sort of hilarious
I've thought this whole thing was bad performance art from the beginning, and it just keeps getting weirder and weirder, and somehow more and more likely that this ****ing reality freakshow is being shot in the oval office next year.
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02-10-2016 , 12:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Larry Legend
The simple fact that Trump is running with his own money and refusing to take any from supporters is overlooked to a huge degree.

One could argue that every politician except Trump will get to the white house owing favors.

That in and of itself is pretty huge. Even if you don't agree with all of the things he says, the dude doesn't give a ****, and you have to respect it.
Welcome aboard.

Many in the thread have yet to complete the Seven Stages of Trump.
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02-10-2016 , 12:48 PM
Has there been anything more hilarious than the pundit class getting completely wrong-footed since day one on Trump? It's the modern-day "Corsican Ogre" headline saga
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02-10-2016 , 12:50 PM
If anyone needs to know why Trump >establishment just turn on CNBC and watch these idiots waste hours 5 minutes a time trying to help their political career with useless soundbytes.
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02-10-2016 , 12:50 PM
i have a taek

since all those candidates are garbage, OBAMA should be allowed to run for a 3rd term
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02-10-2016 , 12:55 PM
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Originally Posted by El Rata
i have a taek

since all those candidates are garbage, OBAMA should be allowed to run for a 3rd term
Would be elite. He should declare martial law.
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02-10-2016 , 12:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Larry Legend
The simple fact that Trump is running with his own money and refusing to take any from supporters is overlooked to a huge degree.

One could argue that every politician except Trump will get to the white house owing favors.

That in and of itself is pretty huge. Even if you don't agree with all of the things he says, the dude doesn't give a ****, and you have to respect it.
It is also completely false.
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02-10-2016 , 01:01 PM
I know I'm late to the party, but I wanted to give a hearty "GJGE" to CDL for trying to make it seem like taxing people making over $250,000 would somehow cripple the economy, or do anything similar to what happened in 2007.

I would expect someone in finance to understand this, but a bubble is when assets on paper are valued at a higher monetary level than the underlying reality would justify. Thus, we think we have more collective wealth than we do, and projections are off.

If a house in NYC is worth $5 million and you can no longer afford it, alone, because you are being taxed at higher rates, that doesn't necessarily mean the house is no longer worth $5 million. Maybe you split it. And if it is worth less, its because your disposable income (NOT necessities, just LOL at not thinking you can raise a family on less) is now being spent by someone else.

Re-allocation is not a bubble. Speculative lending -> overpricing loan assets is what leads to a bubble. Someone spending your $ on healthcare and better food just means that our nations GDP is going elsewhere, or perhaps shifting in terms of what resources are converted into what and how they are consumed.
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02-10-2016 , 01:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Larry Legend
The simple fact that Trump is running with his own money and refusing to take any from supporters is overlooked to a huge degree.

One could argue that every politician except Trump will get to the white house owing favors.

That in and of itself is pretty huge. Even if you don't agree with all of the things he says, the dude doesn't give a ****, and you have to respect it.
This would be cool if it was actually true

https://sunlightfoundation.com/blog/...t-self-funded/
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02-10-2016 , 01:03 PM
(Handshake) wookie
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02-10-2016 , 01:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Wooders0n
If anyone needs to know why Trump >establishment just turn on CNBC and watch these idiots waste hours 5 minutes a time trying to help their political career with useless soundbytes.
yep. This guy right now is railing on Yellen for not doing more to offer scholarships to African Americans and helping them get jobs. Like, she doesn't make laws or have anything to do with colleges.
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02-10-2016 , 01:17 PM
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Originally Posted by TheQuietAnarchist
I know I'm late to the party, but I wanted to give a hearty "GJGE" to CDL for trying to make it seem like taxing people making over $250,000 would somehow cripple the economy, or do anything similar to what happened in 2007.

I would expect someone in finance to understand this, but a bubble is when assets on paper are valued at a higher monetary level than the underlying reality would justify. Thus, we think we have more collective wealth than we do, and projections are off.

If a house in NYC is worth $5 million and you can no longer afford it, alone, because you are being taxed at higher rates, that doesn't necessarily mean the house is no longer worth $5 million. Maybe you split it. And if it is worth less, its because your disposable income (NOT necessities, just LOL at not thinking you can raise a family on less) is now being spent by someone else.

Re-allocation is not a bubble. Speculative lending -> overpricing loan assets is what leads to a bubble. Someone spending your $ on healthcare and better food just means that our nations GDP is going elsewhere, or perhaps shifting in terms of what resources are converted into what and how they are consumed.
If investments in hard assets like real estate, private lending to businesses, and the public markets taper off due to necessary withdrawals to cover expenses due to lower than expected take home income then you will see severe effects in the entire economy. This is just a basic fact of how markets work. If there is less money available for investment then markets necessarily have to go down because there is not enough money to fund those investments at the current prices.

High end real estate is less liquid than the real estate market as a whole and if people can no longer afford their jumbo mortgages then there could very well be defaults in the area as supply could quickly become saturated.

If assets get reallocated to healthcare spending there could absolutely be a bubble in real estate, the stock market, and other financial assets due to a dearth of funds available for investment.
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02-10-2016 , 01:34 PM
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Originally Posted by thedinergetsby
This would be cool if it was actually true

https://sunlightfoundation.com/blog/...t-self-funded/
What a great conclusion sentence

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Is it true that he's completely staying out of the fundraising game? With your help, we can find out.
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02-10-2016 , 01:35 PM
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Originally Posted by thedinergetsby
This would be cool if it was actually true

https://sunlightfoundation.com/blog/...t-self-funded/
This seems misleading. According to your link, the vast majority of his donations are unsolicited small donations, meaning nothing that would put him in hock to the donor class. And some commenters insist that merchandise sales are actually classified as donations, which would be where a large part of it comes from.

So while he might not be completely self-funded, he doesn't appear to be funded by the big money donor class, meaning the spirit of his claim is accurate, i.e. truthful exaggeration.
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02-10-2016 , 01:46 PM
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Originally Posted by CalledDownLight
If investments in hard assets like real estate, private lending to businesses, and the public markets taper off due to necessary withdrawals to cover expenses due to lower than expected take home income then you will see severe effects in the entire economy. This is just a basic fact of how markets work. If there is less money available for investment then markets necessarily have to go down because there is not enough money to fund those investments at the current prices.
Why is there less money left for investment? Taxes don't burn money, they redistribute it. That money is then either spent, in which case it whirls around the economy and eventually ends up going back through the investment markets, or saved, in which case it ends up back in the investment markets much faster.

It's just a re-allaction from Porsche to Ford. That's not gonna affect private lending to business, it affects WHICH business the lending goes to.

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High end real estate is less liquid than the real estate market as a whole and if people can no longer afford their jumbo mortgages then there could very well be defaults in the area as supply could quickly become saturated.
Cry me a river. How does this negatively affect me again?

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If assets get reallocated to healthcare spending there could absolutely be a bubble in real estate, the stock market, and other financial assets due to a dearth of funds available for investment.
Do you actually understand what a bubble is?

Student loans is a bubble because there is an asset on a sheet that is worth a LOT on that sheet but is worth VERY LITTLE in real life. There is NO corresponding asset on a different sheet that looks VERY LITTLE but is worth a LOT in real life. This is because that money doesn't exist - it's an expectation of future earnings of millions of students that just isn't going to be realized. This wouldn't be a problem if there was a corresponding bet somewhere on student spending, and it turned out that students were actually going to just be spending more but not paying back their debts. Instead, the economy is expecting students to make a lot of money, spend a ton, buy a home, but also pay back their debts. It's not gonna happen.

When the stock market has a bunch of stocks (like Porshe, or YachtCo, or HighEndRealEstate.com) rated highly, and a bunch of other stocks (like Ford, or LowerEndRealEstate.com, or DiabetesMedicationCo) rated poorly, and then those stocks change places, that is not a bubble. It just means some people had a bad day. Same deal with assets. If you give a lot of poor people money, it just means it ends up in the hands of a different business, or different real estate market. You'll see Detroit and Cleveland do better and certain parts of NYC might do worse. Again, cry me a damn river.
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02-10-2016 , 01:51 PM
I wonder what Rubio's participation is going to be like.

Seems like the party is giving him the clear sign to just get something (anything) done over the next 4 years and then he will get his shot.

What is the chance Rubio never becomes president?
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02-10-2016 , 01:57 PM
Rubio was probably my 1st choice 3 or 4 months ago. The more I got to know him the more I got that total empty suit feeling. 95+%
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02-10-2016 , 02:02 PM
Xorbie,

Sounds like the start of some pretty big bubbles
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02-10-2016 , 02:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Larry Legend
I wonder what Rubio's participation is going to be like.

Seems like the party is giving him the clear sign to just get something (anything) done over the next 4 years and then he will get his shot.

What is the chance Rubio never becomes president?
I don't think a social conservative will ever become president again. The Republican party is going to have to evolve to ever have a chance again and they seem to just keep devolving and moving further right on every issue.
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02-10-2016 , 02:04 PM
NYDN still crushing with their covers every chance they get

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