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01-11-2017 , 06:22 PM
You guys keep making this mistaken assumption that there are all these frothing at the mouths die hard TRUMP supporters. No, people were just sick and tired of an establishment that doesn't care about them and Trump was against the WOAT candidate and an absolutely terrible campaign.

Anyone with a slight tinge of leadership/integrity who cares about US citizens will easily win the next election, and would have already beaten Trump this time.


Victor,

I feel like you slurp the DNC Kool aid a bit too much, they're awful and Dem supporters need to look more introspectively in an effort to promote positive change, because not only are they awful they're useless corrupt idiots who couldn't even make a lay-up
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01-11-2017 , 06:25 PM
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Originally Posted by niss
You're absolutely right ... the problem is that these folks either don't or refuse to understand what the risk is to this democracy by this stuff. I don't know, maybe I am overestimating the potential harm, but absent Congress acting to protect our institutions -- and I have grave doubt that that will happen -- I think this presidency will be an almost instant crisis, which will get worse and worse with each day.
What do you think will actually happen? Like, what does this threat to democracy look like in reality iyo?
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01-11-2017 , 06:38 PM
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Originally Posted by THAY3R
You guys keep making this mistaken assumption that there are all these frothing at the mouths die hard TRUMP supporters. No, people were just sick and tired of an establishment that doesn't care about them and Trump was against the WOAT candidate and an absolutely terrible campaign.

Anyone with a slight tinge of leadership/integrity who cares about US citizens will easily win the next election, and would have already beaten Trump this time.


Victor,

I feel like you slurp the DNC Kool aid a bit too much, they're awful and Dem supporters need to look more introspectively in an effort to promote positive change, because not only are they awful they're useless corrupt idiots who couldn't even make a lay-up

But Trump supporters made the mistake of thinking Trump cares about them. A lot of it was just sticking their fingers in their ears and screaming "la la la la!" when any news related stuff came up with Obama or Clinton. Look at how many Trump supporters are now just starting to find out that Obamacare and the ACA are the same thing. It's not because they are stupid. It's because they purposely ignored Obamacare related news and tuned it out. But news about the ACA would get past that nasty Obama filter and they would like it. Another thing, the jobs in rural America are not coming back. Jobs are going to be even harder to find and the GOP is going to create huge restrictions on Welfare in general.

So what's going to happen to the people that can't find jobs? Or get any food stamps or even pay the rent because of what the GOP is planning to do?

In Florida, you can't qualify for food stamps unless you have a child. So how does a guy without a job or kids live? And how is Trump/GOP going to fix his problems? Because that guy voted for Trump thinking it's going to get better.
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01-11-2017 , 06:45 PM
I feel like I'm just repeating myself, and you're looking further into it than anyone who voted Trump is.

Trump "supporters" didn't vote FOR Trump, it's a mistake that people seem to keep repeating.

Those who voted Trump voted against the GOP and then against Hillary Clinton, you're trying to apply too much logic, rationality and further thinking to the decision.


Instead of viewing Trump voters as deplorable garbage, maybe we can look at them with both optimism and empathy, as they were very dissatisfied with their leaders and actually willing to do something about it, even if you hated it's outcome.

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01-11-2017 , 06:51 PM
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Originally Posted by THAY3R
I feel like I'm just repeating myself, and you're looking further into it than anyone who voted Trump is.

Trump "supporters" didn't vote FOR Trump, it's a mistake that people seem to keep repeating.

Those who voted Trump voted against the GOP and then against Hillary Clinton, you're trying to apply too much logic and rationality to the decision.
I see what you mean now.

Honestly, it just sucks it had to get this far. Hopefully the US figures this **** out soon because it's not looking good.
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01-11-2017 , 06:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Bdidd
Let's be real. This dick isn't even in office yet and this is a huge embarrassment. We are going to be the laughing stock of the world in six months. The chickens are coming home to roost.
You're the laughing stock of the world already
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01-11-2017 , 06:55 PM
Tons of Trump supporters explicitly and vocally voted FOR Trump. Pretending they are just a loose coalition of anti Hillary voters is willful ignorance.
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01-11-2017 , 07:02 PM
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Originally Posted by MrWookie
Pretending they are just a loose coalition of anti Hillary voters is willful ignorance.
well no one ever accuse-

er, nevermind
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01-11-2017 , 07:03 PM
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Originally Posted by MrWookie
Tons of Trump supporters explicitly and vocally voted FOR Trump. Pretending they are just a loose coalition of anti Hillary voters is willful ignorance.
It's just weird. My sister in law voted for Trump and loves him. She got angry at Meryl Streep the other night. My sister in law by the way has a son that had a stroke when he was born. He's paralyzed/blind on his right side and his arm looks like that reporter that Trump mocked. Yet, she voted for him. *shrug*

I've honestly given up on trying to understand it. LOL
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01-11-2017 , 07:06 PM
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Originally Posted by bazooka87
You're the laughing stock of the world already
Lol, sure thing bud.
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01-11-2017 , 07:08 PM
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Originally Posted by MrWookie
Tons of Trump supporters explicitly and vocally voted FOR Trump. Pretending they are just a loose coalition of anti Hillary voters is willful ignorance.
This. Thay thay is just completely wrong. I've got a Facebook feed full of the rednecks from my tiny hometown that are all about Trump. There is/was just as many who were anti-hilary, but to think there arent Trump supporters is foolish.

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01-11-2017 , 07:10 PM
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Originally Posted by THAY3R
Trump "supporters" didn't vote FOR Trump, it's a mistake that people seem to keep repeating.
lol

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Originally Posted by THAY3R
Instead of viewing Trump voters as deplorable garbage, maybe we can look at them with both optimism and empathy.
https://youtu.be/RNZ3rNZvRU4?t=99
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01-11-2017 , 07:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Riverman
Constitutional amendments only require 2/3 of states, I believe.
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Calling for one requires 34

Amending requires 40 (I think)
Maybe 2/3 (34) to call a convention but 75% (38) to ratify any proposed amendments.
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01-11-2017 , 07:37 PM
Sorry about your Facebook and who you are friends with, but the exit polls overwhelmingly reflected a desire for change and against Clinton. Maybe you're conflating this hope for change with support of a person's particular character and policies, and willingly look at everything in the worst possible way
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01-11-2017 , 07:39 PM
Thayer, I don't think you realize that Trump supporters were also rabidly anti-Hillary and pro-change. The Trump and Republican platform was strictly anti-democrats this year.
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01-11-2017 , 07:43 PM
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Originally Posted by THAY3R

Victor,

I feel like you slurp the DNC Kool aid a bit too much, they're awful and Dem supporters need to look more introspectively in an effort to promote positive change, because not only are they awful they're useless corrupt idiots who couldn't even make a lay-up
Thayer, your read on me is bad. just check the policies that the dems promote and compare that to the repubs. its really not close.
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01-11-2017 , 07:48 PM
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Originally Posted by THAY3R
Sorry about your Facebook and who you are friends with, but the exit polls overwhelmingly reflected a desire for change and against Clinton. Maybe you're conflating this hope for change with support of a person's particular character and policies, and willingly look at everything in the worst possible way
This is also wrong.
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01-11-2017 , 07:53 PM
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Originally Posted by THAY3R
You guys keep making this mistaken assumption that there are all these frothing at the mouths die hard TRUMP supporters.
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Originally Posted by THAY3R
Trump "supporters" didn't vote FOR Trump, it's a mistake that people seem to keep repeating.
How would you describe all those people at his rallies, then? There appears to be a very large number of people who are positively excited about a Trump presidency not just because it isn't Hillary, but because it IS Trump.
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01-11-2017 , 08:04 PM
And what IS Trump to them? Again you're looking too far into it
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01-11-2017 , 08:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Victor
Thayer, your read on me is bad. just check the policies that the dems promote and compare that to the repubs. its really not close.
You're not obligated to support one or the other
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01-11-2017 , 08:27 PM
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Originally Posted by THAY3R
And what IS Trump to them? Again you're looking too far into it


Huh? Trump is a straight-talking tell it like it is successful rich alpha male who talks like yu and me and takes no **** and is so wealthy that he only spends his own money and isn't beholden to any special interests and is immune from corrupting lobbies like big abortion and Soros-funded BLM, it's super refreshing wake up bro
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01-11-2017 , 08:40 PM
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Originally Posted by THAY3R
And what IS Trump to them? Again you're looking too far into it
Huh
It sounds like you're the one looking too far into it. Seems like everyone else is seeing thousands of people at Trump rallies, posting about Trump, reading Trump news, making excuses for his actions etc. and thinking that these people voted for Trump because they like Trump and what he had to say. You're seeing that and seeing...I'm not sure?
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01-11-2017 , 09:21 PM
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Originally Posted by THAY3R
And what IS Trump to them? Again you're looking too far into it
No, I think it's pretty clear you are. These people will happily tell you all the reasons they voted for Trump if you ask them, and you're saying "no, they're wrong, actually he was just a metaphor for CHANGE to them" based on your own desires for how you wish to frame this election.
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01-11-2017 , 09:24 PM
Insulting people who supported TRUMP is definitely going to get them to see the light. Flawless strategy.
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01-11-2017 , 09:26 PM
To those of you who were convinced I was hyperventilating without cause when I said the existence of the United States as a functional democracy was at risk due to his campaign, I now say this: observing that democracy will suffer under his presidency is about 5 months late and a hundred bucks short.

His election WAS the death, the end, the conclusion of the United States as a democratic experiment. You do not live in a democracy if you live in the United States. The game is over. Realize this sooner rather than later, this time.

Underselling this during the campaign is one of the former polity's greatest, most obvious, and most eternally unforgivable sins. He is going to steal from you, and me. Not just financially. He is going to thieve your civil liberties, your trajectory in life, your freedom to optimistically approach life's decisions, and your physical and intellectual safety.

As I have said a hundred times in here, there is no forgiving any Trump voter or facilitator or apologist or patient observer. All of those categories of person are evil, or ****ing stupid. Probably both.

You lived through the fall of a republic. Don't miss the view.
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