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01-11-2017 , 05:02 PM

#25576

Krayz

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One of the first things they tell Canadian teenagers traveling alone is to put a Canadian flag on stuff so people don't think you're American.

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01-11-2017 , 05:05 PM

#25577

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People hate American politics (so do we!) but are generally cool with Americans. But man the whole Trump thing has made meeting people the last year really ****ty. Always comes up.

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01-11-2017 , 05:08 PM

#25578

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What do you think will actually happen? Like, what does this threat to democracy look like in reality iyo?

tax burden shifted to the poor and middle class. helpful public programs ended or slashed like medicare, aca, food stamps, et al. education reformed to put an emphasis on christian values. tariffs reintroduced which cause the prices of food and other stuff to increase.

gerrymandering and disenfranchisement campaigns so that repubs never lose control. other blatant rigging of govt control like in nc to increase repub control.

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01-11-2017 , 05:09 PM

#25579

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Originally Posted by Wooders0n

What do you think will actually happen? Like, what does this threat to democracy look like in reality iyo?

I dunno about him personally, but this is how some people see it.

http://occupydemocrats.com/2017/01/1...ss-conference/

Hopefully you don't focus on something like "well that source is biased." Of course it is, that's how and why it outlines an answer to your question of "what do people think it would look like."

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01-11-2017 , 05:14 PM

#25580

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Originally Posted by Victor

While this would be horrible, it would be temporary and is not remotely a threat to democracy.

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gerrymandering and disenfranchisement campaigns so that repubs never lose control. other blatant rigging of govt control like in nc to increase repub control.

How could all the first things happen and this second thing still happen? Short of Trump abolishing elections and declaring himself supreme ruler, and the military being on board with it, I just don't understand this fear from a long-term perspective.

Edit: and even that would result in coup attempts/civil war in which democracy would still probably prevail

There are plenty of things to fear and be mad about. Does no good to be so hyperbolic and paranoid.

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01-11-2017 , 05:15 PM

#25581

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IMO, including stuff like tax policy and government programs misses the point. That's supposed to be stuff a democracy argues about.

The threat to democracy is the destruction of a free and independent press, establishment of POTUS-sourced propaganda, continued voter suppression, and even the expansion of use of early education as political tool.

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01-11-2017 , 05:17 PM

#25582

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Originally Posted by Wooders0n

While this would be horrible, it would be temporary and is not remotely a threat to democracy.

How could all the first things happen and this second thing still happen? Short of Trump abolishing elections and declaring himself supreme ruler, and the military being on board with it, I just don't understand this fear from a long-term perspective.

Edit: and even that would result in coup attempts/civil war in which democracy would still probably prevail

There are plenty of things to fear and be mad about. Does no good to be so hyperbolic and paranoid.

Educate yourself on voter suppression before you play the voice of reason.

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01-11-2017 , 05:19 PM

#25583

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Originally Posted by Wooders0n

While this would be horrible, it would be temporary and is not remotely a threat to democracy.

How could all the first things happen and this second thing still happen? Short of Trump abolishing elections and declaring himself supreme ruler, and the military being on board with it, I just don't understand this fear from a long-term perspective.

Edit: and even that would result in coup attempts/civil war in which democracy would still probably prevail

There are plenty of things to fear and be mad about. Does no good to be so hyperbolic and paranoid.

not sure what you are questioning. this stuff is already happening.

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01-11-2017 , 05:19 PM

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Only thing all this crap nobody can prove on him is gonna do is make trump a sympathetic character to people and talk about things that aren't all the crap they're gonna do.

Unreal.

btw, Repubs are only a few governors away from being able to abolish elections (ie they almost have enough to change amendments). Well I sure am excited for the BS they're gonna do with that if they get there.

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01-11-2017 , 05:22 PM

#25585

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Originally Posted by PocketChads

Dude the article you linked has no substance whatsoever.

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Trump has repeatedly threatened the freedom of the American press, most recently by refusing to adequately answer reporters’ questions this morning.

Freedom of Press doesn't entitle the press to answers. It prevents them from being jailed or punished for publishing anything truthful. When and if that happens (it wont) 'll be really upset. What he's doing is not threatening the freedom of the press. I think there's a chance he wants to but he hasn't cone remotely close to doing it yet.

The supreme court is not going to allow him to just start violating the first amendment at will.

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01-11-2017 , 05:23 PM

#25586

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Yes I mean it's way too difficult to summarize in one post. You can read any number of articles in the "fake news" press today like the New York Times or Washington Post talking about a potential constitutional crisis the minute he takes office. It's things like aspects of the government fighting against a free press (1st Amendment). A president who could benefit financially from his decisions (emoluments clause). The political decisions -- taxes, obamacare, etc. -- are not a crisis. We may disagree with them, but those are political.

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01-11-2017 , 05:24 PM

#25587

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Woody, in NC their supreme court ruled the disenfranchisement and other steps unconstitutional and told them to fix it. They just ignored the supreme court, then stripped the incoming democratic governor of power when they lost the election.

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01-11-2017 , 05:26 PM

#25588

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Lol tut. Weakest paragraph in the article.

You continue to be a joke.

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01-11-2017 , 05:27 PM

#25589

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Originally Posted by wheatrich

Only thing all this crap nobody can prove on him is gonna do is make trump a sympathetic character to people and talk about things that aren't all the crap they're gonna do.

Unreal.

btw, Repubs are only a few governors away from being able to abolish elections (ie they almost have enough to change amendments). Well I sure am excited for the BS they're gonna do with that if they get there.

info on bolded? havent heard of such a thing.

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01-11-2017 , 05:29 PM

#25590

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Completely shutting out any media that doesn't play ball. Amping up voter suppression. Continued gerrymandering. Staffing critical agencies with political stooges. Purging the government of non-believers. Putin-style cronyism.

The only check is the military, and who the **** knows what they will do.

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01-11-2017 , 05:29 PM

#25591

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Constitutional amendments only require 2/3 of states, I believe.

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01-11-2017 , 05:33 PM

#25592

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Calling for one requires 34

Amending requires 40 (I think)

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01-11-2017 , 05:33 PM

#25593

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Originally Posted by PocketChads

Lol tut. Weakest paragraph in the article.

You continue to be a joke.

Wait what?

That's literally all the article said. That article is short as hell and the part I quoted is literally the lede. It only has 5 paragraphs.

1 of them says Trump is threatening free press,3 of them says Kasparov says this looks like USSR,and 1 says "we have to trust Kasparov

There's no substance there whatsoever

You need to get a ****ing grip man

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01-11-2017 , 05:37 PM

#25594

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Originally Posted by wheatrich

btw, Repubs are only a few governors away from being able to abolish elections (ie they almost have enough to change amendments). Well I sure am excited for the BS they're gonna do with that if they get there.

I mean this is basically the only credible threat on democracy. And while it's scary as **** to think about it still seems really ****ing unlikely, no?

I'd bet the under on 0 5 constitutional amendments in the next 4 years. I'll also bet that Trump is not the POTUS in 5 years.

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01-11-2017 , 05:40 PM

#25595

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Also lol at you guys slurping Obama's super optimistic speech yesterday and completely spazzing out about the end of democracy in the United States entirely today.

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01-11-2017 , 05:46 PM

#25596

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Originally Posted by PocketChads

Educate yourself on voter suppression before you play the voice of reason.

Nobody in the history of our nation suppressed more votes than the DNC by jamming Hillary down our throats as the nominee.

And she still got 63 million ****ing votes. This is much more likely to be a last grasp of old white people than the way the country is going to be forever under dictator Trump.

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01-11-2017 , 05:49 PM

#25597

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He's articulate, intelligent, mildly responsible and bat **** crazy though. That's probably worse than just nut job egomaniac.

If I had the same scientific understanding as 60% of the population this would probably sound perfectly reasonable.

Wow, this guy is gonna be VP? Holy crap. I knew he was anti science but I didn't realize it was that bad.

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01-11-2017 , 06:00 PM

#25598

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Originally Posted by Wooders0n

Thing is they know it is their last gasp, are desperate, are bat**** crazy and have the power to do whatever they want for at least two years and very, very likely four years. May even gain a little more power in the next couple of years and be able to amend the Constitution.

Whenever they do lose power, the kind of shennanigans they, and specifically Trump, could pull on the way out are only limited by your imagination.

Not good Bob.