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01-06-2017 , 12:31 PM
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Originally Posted by El Rata


its totally the media that is dishonest here

sad!
Rat, please explain why you're in favor of letting rapists into America
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01-06-2017 , 12:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Onlydo2days
Donald J. Trump ‏@realDonaldTrump 2h2 hours ago
being a movie star-and that was season 1 compared to season 14. Now compare him to my season 1. But who cares, he supported Kasich & Hillary

Donald J. Trump ‏@realDonaldTrump 2h2 hours ago
Wow, the ratings are in and Arnold Schwarzenegger got "swamped" (or destroyed) by comparison to the ratings machine, DJT. So much for....

lol
Lool this is incredible.

I tbought Arnold did a pretty good job tbh and both firings were the correct one.
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01-06-2017 , 12:34 PM
I think Obama's biggest failing is being so idealistic he just keeps trusting broken systems to work as they should in theory. He needed to be more pragmatic and ruthless. Had he girded up for war and messaged correctly no way the Republicans have any chance. They were rewarded for the very worst behavior in memory by his unwillingness to do so.
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01-06-2017 , 12:34 PM
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And even if we grant that they did, for someone who seemingly has a grasp on the magnitude of the problem it's super frustrating to see how little he did.
He's saving his political capital for the really important stuff

Any day now
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01-06-2017 , 12:40 PM
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Originally Posted by PocketChads
He's saving his political capital for the really important stuff

Any day now
Probably about to take everyone's guns away.
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01-06-2017 , 12:41 PM
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Originally Posted by thenewsavman
I'm not as sold as many people might be after reading this.

Whist reading I was thinking "Man if only we could get someone in a position of power who understand the problem this well. Oh wait."

While it's certainly a step in the right direction to have a sitting president shine a ray of light, however small, on the egregiousness that is the US Prison State it's discouraging considering there still is an order of magnitude more inmates in Federal prison than there was when I was born. That's a 1000% increase against a population increase of ~40%.

Obama is (correctly) stating he's the first president to leave office with less people federally incarcerated than when he began and attributing it to his policy actions; but it's clear that the general trend has been a leveling off of the growth in the US prison population since 2008 both federal and state, where the Executive has very little if any affect. (Outside of the bully pulpit, which sadly O did not avail himself of imo)

IOW How about less spiking of the football about being the tallest midget and more actual reform.

Maybe we are hitting some sort of right wall the % of citizens that it's politically acceptable to jail, or, more likely imo, is budget constraints since 08 are leading to more plea deals less incarceration.

At any rate it's not obvious that his policy's had much effect. And even if we grant that they did, for someone who seemingly has a grasp on the magnitude of the problem it's super frustrating to see how little he did.



obama can't really do **** about prison reform. only a very small percentage of prisoners are in federal prison. only a very small percentage of those prisoners are actually like the non-violent drug offender types that are about the only type of people that the public wants to see released. congress has to do something and state legislatures have to do something. brennan center just released a good report with good ideas earlier in december on how to help the mass incarceration problem but the federal government can't do much until state level politicians either grow some balls or change the public mind towards crime and incarceration. even if the federal government uses a carrot and stick approach with funding incentives towards less incarceration, they really don't fund much of state level incarceration systems (like 5%-iirc. just did a paper a while back on this)
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01-06-2017 , 12:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Wooders0n
Lool this is incredible.

I tbought Arnold did a pretty good job tbh and both firings were the correct one.
pretty funny headline by the DISHONEST MEDIA:

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01-06-2017 , 12:44 PM
He did set a record for lame duck pardons or something like that

Of course everyone read that as corruption even though they were nearly 100% drug offenses that got stuff like life for weed
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01-06-2017 , 12:45 PM
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Originally Posted by ClarkNasty
I think Obama's biggest failing is being so idealistic he just keeps trusting broken systems to work as they should in theory. He needed to be more pragmatic and ruthless. Had he girded up for war and messaged correctly no way the Republicans have any chance. They were rewarded for the very worst behavior in memory by his unwillingness to do so.
republicans almost have enough state legislatures to change the constitution with a convention but yes if obama "girded up for war" they would have no chance
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01-06-2017 , 12:50 PM
idealistically drone striking people without due process
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01-06-2017 , 12:52 PM
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Originally Posted by pwnsall
idealistically drone striking people without due process
Lol, he clearly is idealistic about institutions and that is clearly divorced from drone strikes, but beyond that, in war it is now bad to kill people without putting them on trial first?
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01-06-2017 , 01:04 PM
But guys he's actually a genius
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01-06-2017 , 01:05 PM
iirc obama couldnt even get the the dea or fda or whoever decides those things to stop classifying weed as a class a(?) drug. how is that so hard? couldnt he just start firing the people in charge until someone did as they were told?
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01-06-2017 , 01:07 PM
If anything, it's actually not separate, and he's got a lot of faith in our intelligence and military institutions.
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01-06-2017 , 01:09 PM
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Originally Posted by daca
iirc obama couldnt even get the the dea or fda or whoever decides those things to stop classifying weed as a class a(?) drug. how is that so hard? couldnt he just start firing the people in charge until someone did as they were told?
He basically compromised by getting the DEA to stop focusing on weed in states that want it that way. Kinda sorta but not fully.
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01-06-2017 , 01:17 PM
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Originally Posted by PocketChads
He basically compromised by getting the DEA to stop focusing on weed in states that want it that way. Kinda sorta but not fully.
isnt he in charge of this stuff? why cant he just make the clowns do what he wants them to do?
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01-06-2017 , 01:19 PM
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01-06-2017 , 01:22 PM
man if there isn't some serious uproar about the wall i give up

he's demonstrated no strategy for how mexico will pay for the wall except repeating "we have a trade deficit and that's why mexico will pay" except that's not even remotely how a trade deficit works and now with absolutely zero indication mexico is going to pay for this idiocy or again, no plan on how he will get them to, he's going to have this country pay for it with the promise that mexico will pay back
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01-06-2017 , 01:26 PM
We attack them when they refuse. Then we send dirty libruls there a la Austraila with an already implemented German wall to boot. EZ Game.
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01-06-2017 , 01:37 PM
He had a detailed plan on his campaign website. Something about taxing money transfers
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01-06-2017 , 01:41 PM
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Originally Posted by TheTenderVigilante
man if there isn't some serious uproar about the wall i give up

he's demonstrated no strategy for how mexico will pay for the wall except repeating "we have a trade deficit and that's why mexico will pay" except that's not even remotely how a trade deficit works and now with absolutely zero indication mexico is going to pay for this idiocy or again, no plan on how he will get them to, he's going to have this country pay for it with the promise that mexico will pay back
I'd say plan on giving up, then.

Probably his supporters knew "pay" wasn't literal, or something.
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01-06-2017 , 01:45 PM
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Originally Posted by El Rata
pretty funny headline by the DISHONEST MEDIA:

This was pretty much my first thought when reading Trump tweets itt.
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01-06-2017 , 01:46 PM
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Originally Posted by TheTenderVigilante
man if there isn't some serious uproar about the wall i give up

he's demonstrated no strategy for how mexico will pay for the wall except repeating "we have a trade deficit and that's why mexico will pay" except that's not even remotely how a trade deficit works and now with absolutely zero indication mexico is going to pay for this idiocy or again, no plan on how he will get them to, he's going to have this country pay for it with the promise that mexico will pay back
Most likely outcome of all this is that we get a partially built wall that ends up being an eyesore on the US-Mexico border similar to abandoned partially finished hotels on the LV Strip after financial crisis.

eta: I will be shocked if we ever have a literal 30 foot tall wall (or whatever the latest quoted height is) built completely along the US-Mexico border. Like levels of shocked that I cannot even properly put words to. It isn't happening. This is why I want to see literal plans for this boondoggle because it is impossible to do what he has claimed he is going to do.
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01-06-2017 , 02:06 PM
In case the reasoning for my above post isn't clear to anyone:

The US-Mexico border is approximately 1,900 miles. 1,254 of those miles are the border between Texas and Mexico. Go pull this border up on Google Maps and check it out closely. The reason the border is so crazy has to do with the fact that it's based on the Rio Grande. You know where it really sucks to try to build a 30 Foot Tall (or higher) wall? In a river bed. So where is the wall going to be built along 2/3rds of the border? In Mexico? HAHAHAHAHAHA good luck with that one In the US? Well that creates quite a few problems. Unfortunately for the wall plan, the area along the Rio Grande has been heavily built in several areas with both commercial and residential interests. But what about eminent domain? Sure that's one way you could do it, but I doubt Texans are going to look to kindly to a gigantic Federal Land Grab based on Eminent Domain. Along with the fact that this would likely be a rather lengthy process. Then there is the matter of the portion of the border that runs through Big Bend Ranch State Park and Big Bend Ranch National Park. This likely won't raise as big of an issue as private land, but still will be another hurdle to clear in the planning of the master wall.

So what we'll most likely be left with, if a plan to build a wall is ever even started, is an incomplete eyesore in random spots along the US-Mexico border.
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01-06-2017 , 02:09 PM
Gas prices up 20% since Election Day #ThanksDonald
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