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He didn't. Assault rifles aren't the same as assault weapons, but the latter term was created to conflate the two in laymen. Pretty sure assault weapons are outlawed in California too. The guns used don't fall into either category

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12-07-2015 , 06:02 PM

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He didn't. Assault rifles aren't the same as assault weapons, but the latter term was created to conflate the two in laymen.

Oh, well that changes everything then :eyeroll:

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12-07-2015 , 06:04 PM

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So that Stasi editorial in NY Daily News is amongst the most vile things I've ever read.

But hey killer front page troll jobs nydn goat.

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12-07-2015 , 06:04 PM

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So he bought assault weapons, but not assault rifles?

What's the legal difference? I'm not doubting there is one.

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12-07-2015 , 06:05 PM

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No he didn't buy assault weapons either. That's a legal term invented in the 90s that these guns don't fall into either I believe.

Assault rifles are capable of full automatic fire.

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12-07-2015 , 06:05 PM

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Doesn't seem like something that could have been prevented IMO.

Maybe. Maybe not though.

Seems like there's at least a nonzero chance it would have been a different incident entirely if his neighbor would have not been able to buy two assault weapons legally.

Fixed for Ikes apparently.

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12-07-2015 , 06:07 PM

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Again, California has an assault weapon ban. These guns were not assault weapons

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12-07-2015 , 06:07 PM

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Popehat wrote a well thought out piece regarding the competing echo chambers in gun debate.

http://www.popehat.com/2015/12/07/ta...ly-about-guns/

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12-07-2015 , 06:08 PM

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Doesn't seem like something that could have been prevented IMO.

Maybe. Maybe not though.

Seems like there's at least a nonzero chance it would have been a different incident entirely if his neighbor would have not been able to buy two highly deadly semi automatic rifles legally.

I'll try one more time. Maybe Ikes will find this wording acceptable even though it's 100% obvious to any non idiot what I meant.

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12-07-2015 , 06:08 PM

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Are all assault rifles assault weapons?

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12-07-2015 , 06:11 PM

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Ikes probably so proud he just made me waste 3 posts saying literally the exact same thing to anyone with half a brain and ability to use common sense. Thanks for adding tons of value to the forum dude.

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12-07-2015 , 06:13 PM

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Actually his points are important and you're being a dick for no reason.

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12-07-2015 , 06:17 PM

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Actually his points are important and you're being a dick for no reason.

How is it important what you call them? There is absolutely no difference between "assault rifle" "assault weapon" or "whatever those guns the killers neighbors legally purchased" in the context of the argument I was making.

Nor does there need to be.

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12-07-2015 , 06:18 PM

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The purpose is so that gun nuts can claim victory when you call a magazine a "clip." Upon doing so, you will have been chessmated.

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12-07-2015 , 06:22 PM

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Yes.

The right shotgun would be more lethal in a confined space.

Famously, Jules Winfield considered the shotgun superior for this exact task.

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12-07-2015 , 06:31 PM

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Yes.

The right shotgun would be more lethal in a confined space.

Famously, Jules Winfield considered the shotgun superior for this exact task.

Not sure how confined the space was once the first shot goes off and everyone starts fleeing. And not sure how much not having the semi automatic rifles changes their plans. My only point was that Eddy said this might not have been avoidable and I disagree as I think there's at least a chance it might have been without the ease of acquiring two of those types of guns.

10 people dead is still much better than 14.

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12-07-2015 , 06:35 PM

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Read Colin's link and then feel bad.

Also, you're forgetting about the pipe bombs.

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12-07-2015 , 06:35 PM

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It's so weird when people on a poker forum just throw their hands up and say it still could have happened with different laws. Humans can't think in terms of EV when it comes to ideology.

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12-07-2015 , 06:38 PM

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It's so weird when people on a poker forum just throw their hands up and say it still could have happened with different laws. Humans can't think in terms of EV when it comes to ideology.

It's like Paris never happened.

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12-07-2015 , 06:39 PM

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Err you prescribed a specific solution, the obvious interpretation of what you said (assault rifle) was already outlawed. The secondary interpretation of you meant (assault weapon) was already outlawed. Even though you claim it is 'obvious to any non idiot what [you] meant', I doubt that even you know what type of gun you want to ban in response to this event.

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12-07-2015 , 06:39 PM

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It's like Paris never happened.

What's does this even mean and how is it a response to PC's post?

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12-07-2015 , 06:39 PM

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That's what I'm talking about, that's not sound reasoning on your part, Shane.

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12-07-2015 , 06:48 PM

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Read Colin's link and then feel bad.

Also, you're forgetting about the pipe bombs.

That link was terrible. The goal is not to change the minds of gun supporters. Anyone who supports them at this point is not budging. The goal is to get anti-gun people, which happens to be largely the same group of people running ****, mad enough to force change.

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12-07-2015 , 06:49 PM

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What's does this even mean and how is it a response to PC's post?

It's an intentionally obnoxious response to the vague and ineffectual arguments for non-specific "different laws."

Of course, I find these impotent suggestions far preferable to the President's newfound obsession with no-fly list.

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12-07-2015 , 06:50 PM

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Death count EV of mass shootings by itself would be a tiny price to pay for whatever it is gun people want, to the point of near insignicance.

But there is a change in culture when people are afraid, however irrationally. Not sure how to measure that.

And of course it's a little irrational, but understandable, to focus on these sensational events instead of the "everyday" shootings.

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