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06-10-2020 , 02:14 PM

#53651

72off

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based on his posting i don't believe a word he says about himself

or he's literally insane

not really a 3rd option

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06-10-2020 , 02:20 PM

#53652

vinivici9586

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the bros are an enlightened group that are so much smarter than everyone else.

not only do they know that being 95th percentile left is the correct answer to society's problems, and that almost every citizen and most economists, sociologists, philosophers etc are wrong and they are always right, but they are woke enough to know that biden and trump are actually *the same* exact candidate, and the oligarchy is happy with either outcome.

furthermore they are world class political messengers and strategists.

their achilles heel you ask??? the DNC rat****ing them.

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06-10-2020 , 02:31 PM

#53653

72off

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not only do they know that being 95th percentile left is the correct answer to society's problems

you can't even get 5th percentile left policy lol

ppl are like "defund the police" and dems are like "no, here's $300 million more! ty 4 ur service "

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they are woke enough to know that biden and trump are actually *the same* exact candidate, and the oligarchy is happy with either outcome

fact check: mostly true

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06-10-2020 , 02:43 PM

#53654

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support for blm up ~20 points over the last couple weeks (and ~35 since 2018)
fredo's approval rating down 10 points

dems: nope we're still not gonna do literally anything, just further entrenching the status quo here

shitlibs: hell yeah! lol bernie

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06-10-2020 , 02:47 PM

#53655

RainierWolfcastle

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"I'm as liberal as they come but in 2020 all my Tweets amount to 'Trump is bad'"

Where does one even start with this? These people don't want to demilitarize the police, they don't want to reduce funding for the police, they want the status quo where they can make a living saying "Trump is bad".

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06-10-2020 , 02:50 PM

#53656

RainierWolfcastle

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If liberalism in 2020 means all you are allowed to do is show how smart you are by opposing Donald Trump and the Republicans put me in the dirtbag left.

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06-10-2020 , 02:54 PM

#53657

72off

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biden 2020: "orange man bad (i am very smart!)"

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06-10-2020 , 02:58 PM

#53658

72off

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well can you at least safeguard the country so that the nazis can't fully take over when you invariably lose in 2024?

dems: no

shitlibs: hell yeah! lol bernie

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06-10-2020 , 02:58 PM

#53659

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Would be up 40 points without ANTIFA Bernie Bros smashing windows and if they knew how to brand it optimally obv

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06-10-2020 , 03:05 PM

#53660

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The BLM cause rising so much in popularity/approval over the last 5 years proves why people shouldn't give up on the "defund the police" just because some conservatives are purposely misunderstanding what it means. Back then people made the same arguments against BLM that they are now making about defunding police.

Keep fighting. Police must be held accountable.

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06-10-2020 , 03:11 PM

#53661

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Biden proposing $300 million more to a police force that's already getting way too much money is obviously ridiculous. It also highlights the need to support progressives in the upcoming primaries. There are a lot of good candidates still up for election in the primaries in the coming weeks/months. If 5-10 more AOC style candidates get elected, the Dems will likely depend on their votes to have a majority in the House. They can have actual leverage.

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06-10-2020 , 03:16 PM

#53662

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well can you at least safeguard the country so that the nazis can't fully take over when you invariably lose in 2024?

dems: no

shitlibs: hell yeah! lol bernie

the 2024 map actually might be pretty good. the last few cycles the "shitlibs" have been losing in the rust belt and gaining in the sun belt + texas + cali. this has been really bad EC wise, because cali is just running up the score, we are too far behind in texas to make it a swing state, and AZ + NM + CO are way fewer votes than OH + MI + WI. but if/when texas falls, the GOP is pretty ****ed. (there's actually more registered democrats than republicans in texas, but they seem not to be voting)

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06-10-2020 , 03:22 PM

#53663

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This is correct. You ask a random person what % or how much $ their city spends on police and they can't ballpark it. Polling on the issue is worthless, its an emotional response and nothing more.

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06-10-2020 , 03:28 PM

#53664

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Originally Posted by Andro

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06-10-2020 , 03:41 PM

#53665

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Agree with this, except for the AOC part.

And that's where the moderates lose me. Take the Kentucky Senate dem primaries coming up--right now Amy McGrath is polling slightly ahead of Moscow Mitch, and AOC/Bernie have recently come out and endorsed Charles Booker in the race, and others are endorsing Mike Broihier, both of which are far left of McGrath.

My answer to that is.... so what? If they can win the primary then they can beat Mitch, imo. I know this is a special case where a victory almost counts as two, but finding a better candidate than McGrath shouldn't be seen as a bad thing.

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06-10-2020 , 03:46 PM

#53666

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Ok, I'm stupid so I need you to slow this down for me.

72 and Victor have conclusively proved ITT that both parties are the same. Given that, why would you assume the bolded is true?

If the Dems are (not so) secretly out to accomplish the same things as the Republicans, why would they bend to a handful of progressives rather than just say "no thanks" and get what they want anyway?

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06-10-2020 , 03:56 PM

#53667

vinivici9586

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ThEyRe tHe SaMe

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06-10-2020 , 04:05 PM

#53668

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I don't uncritically support anyone though, which I've gone from like to dislike and vice versa on so many candidates.

You guys give me and vin crap because we make fun of the group that you sort of belong to, which ironically is generally uncritical of their own bullshit and hypocrisies. The republican shitlib centrist democrats are completely aware of their candidate's flaws and completely aware of how corrupt the system is, they just have different ideas on how to fix it.

this is meaningless. of course I am not critical of that. no one is. if I thought I was hypocritical then I would change my views.

now, if you think the leftists gave uncritical support to Bernie and the Progressive wing then I dunno what to say but I dont think you paid attention very well.

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06-10-2020 , 04:09 PM

#53669

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Criticizing progressives for working with centrists doesn't count as being critical for the purposes of this discussion.

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06-10-2020 , 04:09 PM

#53670

Victor

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thats not why people are giving up on it. the shitlibs breathlessly smashing the twitter machine about how bad "defund the police" akshually is are not being honest. they dont actually care about having the proper messaging. they fundamentally oppose any sort of change to the status quo and esp defunding the police.

and some, I suppose, may just be misguided useful idiots.

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06-10-2020 , 04:09 PM

#53671

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this is meaningless. of course I am not critical of that. no one is. if I thought I was hypocritical then I would change my views.

now, if you think the leftists gave uncritical support to Bernie and the Progressive wing then I dunno what to say but I dont think you paid attention very well.

this is true. the bros have been more critical of bernie than trump recently and they basically think liz warren = hillary now. sad

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06-10-2020 , 04:15 PM

#53672

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its not really that both parties are the same. they arent. but in school, the kid who gets 50% correct and the kid who gets 0% correct both get an F.

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06-10-2020 , 04:18 PM

#53673

Seadood228

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Owing your whole career to the NRA, voting against the Brady bill 5 times = No big deal.

Working with Biden to give progressives a voice = SELLOUT

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06-10-2020 , 04:22 PM

#53674

vinivici9586

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Very Online Victor: "why get your hopes up by getting it in as a coinflip when you can get it in dead?"

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06-10-2020 , 04:24 PM

#53675

Seadood228

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Bernie - I'm against mass incarceration

Also Bernie - Unless they are black and in the state of Vermont

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