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04-22-2020 , 04:15 PM
The tweet you quoted was that the dems caved becaused, if you ignore all the **** they got, they didn't really get anything. Cool story bro.

Mitch is literally bragging about stopping any help for state/local governments even while the NGA has asked for $500M, but yeah, the Dems should "win" by doing...something and getting that money.

If only they gave a ****, they could get **** done. That's def the issue at hand here.
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04-22-2020 , 04:44 PM
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Originally Posted by 72off
spoiler: money for small biz, hospitals, and testing ain't gonna do **** when you're forcing everyone back to work
Where the **** is this coming from?

Pelosi, April 16th:

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"The President's continued insistence on moving forward without testing, contact tracing, demographic data collection and a respect for science and the facts risks further death and economic disaster,"

Schumer, April 17th:

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“If we don’t have a strong, adequate testing regime, we’re going to have real trouble,” he added. “You have to know who has the illness, who’s immune from the illness and who could get the illness before we can determine who can go back to work and who can’t.”
Trump, March 24th:

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Open it by Easter, I like bunnies
The leader of one party is "forcing everyone back to work" while the leaders of the other are saying it's too dangerous without an overhaul of our testing infrastructure. Why are you equating the two?
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04-22-2020 , 04:49 PM
experts: you can't "re-open the economy" without more testing

gop: ok, we "concede" money for testing, now we're back open for business! lolol

dems: mission accomplished


experts: wait, that's only part o-

gop & dems: stfu!
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04-22-2020 , 04:56 PM
no rent freeze or stimulus means ppl have to go back to work, if they can even find a job
oh hey who's hiring? love to die stock shelves or working at mcd's

election security & usps obv never getting funded, so glgl in november

and no oversight means anything can happen with this money anyway
whatever isn't straight up stolen will prob go to red & swing states


****, what a win
gj dems
(again, they probably don't really care all that much, they sure don't seem to)
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04-22-2020 , 05:26 PM
Right, so we swing back around to "Because Dems couldn't get everything, they got nothing". Solid.

What would you do were you a Dem. Senator? I know your knee jerk reaction is to make some awesome joke like "kill myself" and laugh for 35 minutes, but really, what would you do? You have no majority, very limited political capial to work with and a handful of members in vulnerable seats.

Hell, have fun with it, pretend you're a Dem. Congressman, so you can have a majority in your house but know you don't have the Senate nor the Presidency. How do you get all the **** you want?

The answer is you don't. You get what you can, where you can, and it would look a lot like what we have now.
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04-22-2020 , 05:31 PM
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Originally Posted by 72off
experts: you can't "re-open the economy" without more testing

gop: ok, we "concede" money for testing, now we're back open for business! lolol

dems: mission accomplished


experts: wait, that's only part o-

gop: stfu!

corp dems...well we tried but we love getting cucked by the GOP because we weak and don't give a **** cuz we got paid


progressive dems...

so close...but FYP
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04-22-2020 , 05:41 PM
dem congress should be passing their own bills complete with stimulus, rent freeze, usps, and election security, etc

put the pressure on them to say why any of that is bad, rather than eating their **** sandwiches

giving them everything they need to "re-open the economy" and little else doesn't seem to serve much of a purpose, but hey i'm not super smart like you


but hey, i guess if middle-class white ppl in red states can get tested and stay home with their bad drapes while the poors go back to work at their small businesses and subway franchises etc it's all good right


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Originally Posted by PunkRockHec
so close...but FYP
i mean yeah, there are like 3 progressives dems, so they don't matter

meanwhile nancy is raking in millions from mega-landlords so i'm guessing that rent freeze etc is never happening

or 1/3 of the party's money coming from private health, which explains how creepy joe can literally just lol @ m4a on camera
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04-22-2020 , 06:07 PM
but occam's razor is that 98% of dems are corporate-owned ghouls who are also fine with poor ppl ****ing off and dying or whatever, they didn't actually "compromise" on anything here

here's a little cash for testing, now get back to work


if you wanna pretend like they're the good guys and are really trying here then go off i guess
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04-22-2020 , 07:50 PM
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Originally Posted by 72off
dem congress should be passing their own bills complete with stimulus, rent freeze, usps, and election security, etc

put the pressure on them to say why any of that is bad, rather than eating their **** sandwiches

giving them everything they need to "re-open the economy" and little else doesn't seem to serve much of a purpose, but hey i'm not super smart like you


but hey, i guess if middle-class white ppl in red states can get tested and stay home with their bad drapes while the poors go back to work at their small businesses and subway franchises etc it's all good right


Right, and Mitch blocks you, then pushes though his even worse dog **** (that he tried to do a week ago) and when you fight him with all the **** you want, they frame you as extreme and them as "at least trying to be reasonable". It works, because people are dumb and it's always worked, and you get nothing, or worse, you drag your feet in the House after they've passed the absolute horseshit bill through the Senate and you get hung out to dry.

Or, you work with what you've got, get something instead of nothing, and keep pushing.

You keep ignoring any gains so you can pitch some bizarre "Left Wing, right wing, two wings of the same bird" facebook meme nonsense. It's not like the Dems have to be an army of Bernies to recognize when they've done something good or that they're clear and away the only of the two parties that are trying to improve the lives of people. If anything short of a rent freeze is going to have you saying the Dems failed, then you need to reevaluate what's possible against a Republican Senate and White House.
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04-22-2020 , 08:52 PM
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Originally Posted by RT
then you need to reevaluate what's possible against a Republican Senate and White House.
Now just ask yourself why the Republicans never have to worry about going through a Democratic House before they pass all their horrible ****, and one day you'll get there.
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04-22-2020 , 10:58 PM
I admire RT for believing either party really cares about the average US citizen.
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04-23-2020 , 04:33 AM
RT is spot on. Some people in here have a serious lack of basic understanding of how politics work.
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04-23-2020 , 01:00 PM
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Originally Posted by RT
then pushes though his even worse dog ****
1. he literally can't without their help
2. that's exactly what this is

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they frame you as extreme and them as "at least trying to be reasonable". It works, because people are dumb and it's always worked
public opinion is actually on the right side here for once

like 90% of the country doesn't want to re-open, yet here we are bc the dems also want the poors back at work

and part of the reason the dems always "lose" is that they negotiate against themselves, and worry about what rw media will say, rather than just doing the right thing (and/or in a lot of cases, the massively popular thing)

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and you get nothing
so?

i'd take nothing over giving them exactly what they want to "re-open the economy" & boot ppl off of unemployment, and nothing more

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Or, you work with what you've got, get something instead of nothing, and keep pushing.
yeah one of these years they're actually gonna push, i can feel it coming... lol

maybe call their bluff, hold the line, and fight for ****ing once? maybe in a pandemic x great depression? nah, just roll over yet again

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You keep ignoring any gains so you can pitch some bizarre "Left Wing, right wing, two wings of the same bird" facebook meme nonsense.
dems aren't left wing bruh

and yes, they're basically the same

hint: maybe notice how they aren't really fighting over this

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they're clear and away the only of the two parties that are trying to improve the lives of people
lol, this is sad

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If anything short of a rent freeze is going to have you saying the Dems failed, then you need to reevaluate what's possible against a Republican Senate and White House.
no, giving them exactly what they want and nothing more is why it's a failure

this is what they always do

at least i accept it's bc they also don't care, and not bc golly gee we just can't ever win (so don't try), even when we control all 3 branches like barry did for 2 years
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04-23-2020 , 01:13 PM
wapo: (yesterday)




i mean it's a tacit admission that she "rolled over" YET AGAIN
(but ofc she doesn't actually care, she got exactly what she wanted here too, but yet it's a "big win" to some somehow lolol)


the rts of the world: yassssss queeeeeeeen!!! and also, we'll really get 'em next time!

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04-23-2020 , 01:19 PM
another 4-5m unemployed ... how are ppl gonna pay their rent?

get a dangerous job i guess, if you can find one

don't worry, the dems will get you next time, in 1-3 months or whatever
i believe bc i'm a complete ****ing idiot
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04-23-2020 , 01:19 PM
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04-23-2020 , 01:37 PM



Wish we had more people like Ro Khanna in Congress.
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04-23-2020 , 02:27 PM
Spoiler:


NSFW AND GOLD
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04-23-2020 , 07:27 PM
now prez fredo telling ppl to get ~chemo or inject bleach/isopropyl into your lungs in order to cure the rona

wattba


gotta say, i do admire his enthusiasm for killing his cultists
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04-23-2020 , 09:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Hellmuth was right
Now just ask yourself why the Republicans never have to worry about going through a Democratic House before they pass all their horrible ****, and one day you'll get there.
Because the system is rigged so Republicans can get far fewer votes and still retain controll of the Senate; the House is less static. Not to mention the differences in passing votes between the two chambers. This isn't a fair fight, don't be dishonest.
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04-23-2020 , 09:44 PM
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Originally Posted by 72off
1. he literally can't without their help
2. that's exactly what this is
Which they'll get when they hit an impasse because the Dems will face pressure quicker and Republicans can always go nuclear if Mitch really wanted to (although I doubt he would).

And no, it isn't. You just keep making **** up and expecting no one to notice. Not being perfect isn't the same as being the worst case. Mitch literally tried to pass worse **** days ago and Dems fought to get this.

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public opinion is actually on the right side here for once

like 90% of the country doesn't want to re-open, yet here we are bc the dems also want the poors back at work

and part of the reason the dems always "lose" is that they negotiate against themselves, and worry about what rw media will say, rather than just doing the right thing (and/or in a lot of cases, the massively popular thing)
Again, what the **** are you talking about. Dems aren't pushing to open anything up. I'm well aware you might be able to find a random quote or something but in general, Dems are fighting Trump and Republican attempts to reopen the country and states.

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so?

i'd take nothing over giving them exactly what they want to "re-open the economy" & boot ppl off of unemployment, and nothing more
Of course you would, because your bullshit falls apart if you have to read beyond the headline. The Dems have zero leverage here, there is nothing they can do to stop doomsday if that's what Mitch and Trump really want to do. It's probably not going to come to that, but in the meantime, they can still use what little leverage they have to work out better things where possible.

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yeah one of these years they're actually gonna push, i can feel it coming... lol

maybe call their bluff, hold the line, and fight for ****ing once? maybe in a pandemic x great depression? nah, just roll over yet again
Sure, and maybe Bernie's troops will show up too. ****, if we're just gonna say **** we wish would happen, dream big.



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no, giving them exactly what they want and nothing more is why it's a failure

this is what they always do

at least i accept it's bc they also don't care, and not bc golly gee we just can't ever win (so don't try), even when we control all 3 branches like barry did for 2 years
Lol, it's not exactly what they wanted, but you know that and just keep saying it hoping it will be true.
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04-23-2020 , 09:49 PM
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Originally Posted by ut2010
I admire RT for believing either party really cares about the average US citizen.
They're politicans, they don't "care" about people beyond their ability to keep themselves in power. The difference is that the people Republicans serve are basically pure evil, whereas the Democrats are marginally less evil.

It's probably a little more complicated than that, but since our system basically entrenches two parties, I'll go with the one that's less evil and wants more people to have health coverage (even if both want to profit off it and I don't think they should be able to).
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04-24-2020 , 12:48 AM
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Don't eat or inject yourself with disinfectant, warns FDA commissioner

These times we're in
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04-24-2020 , 01:14 AM
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Originally Posted by RT
Of course you would, because your bullshit falls apart if you have to read beyond the headline. The Dems have zero leverage here,
this is not true at all. This is the Trumpvirus. Trump and the GOP own this thing. They are going to be the ones getting voted out in November when **** hits the fan.

The Dems could control all 3 branches next year and you would still be spouting this same BS when they inevitably fail to get anything meaningful done.
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04-24-2020 , 01:13 PM
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Originally Posted by 72off
now prez fredo telling ppl to get ~chemo or inject bleach/isopropyl into your lungs in order to cure the rona

wattba


gotta say, i do admire his enthusiasm for killing his cultists
A literal snake oil salesman who you can trace the childlike leap from, “disinfectant will kill the virus on surfaces” to, “adurrr...maybe nobody else was smart enough to think of using that on bodies”. Preaching to the choir, blah blah blah...

I am, however, completely on board with chugging alcohol right now.
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