lol Goat

you or gregogoat making the super bowel thread?



In addition to feeling a sense of responsibility........

Usually some spirit cooking. Sometimes a ritual sacrifice of an underage sex-slave if it's a special occasion Alfalfa Dinner. But the gig is up on Comet Pizza - so we have to find a new venue for that.

They're both popular with the "Burn it all down" crowd.

My best friend from high school, college, early 20s - is a Bernie fan who became a gigantic Trump fan. He was a molotov-cocktail advocating super-leftist/anarchist for many years. I think he's always just gravitated towards extremes.

We know each other well enough that he basically admitted to me he's pretty racist these days - which I suspect 95% of big Trump fans would admit in a private moment. He got home-invaded when he was like 22 and I think it really ****ed him up. He stopped listening to rap music and told me it was because of the home invasion (by black guys obviously).

He even talked about the Puerto Rican family next door making anchor babies - and I had to remind him Puerto Ricans don't need to make anchor babies. This wouldn't be surprising with 99% of Trump fans - but this guy has always been a politics junkie. Which concerns me because it means he's so far in the bubble he's lost whatever political acumen he used to have.

Now he wean't some super enthusiastic Bernie Bro or anything. But I think if it was Bernie vs. Trump he'd have had a tough choice. But also he swears he voted for Obama twice and I believe him.

I've mostly written the guy off but it's tough because I have like 5x as many of those huge teens and early adulthood memories with him as anyone else. And other than the racism and the Trumpfan-ness he's a standup guy. (I know, don't @ me)

Anyway I'm not saying this guy is typical. But he could be of whatever % of Bernie fans moved over to Trump.

Ok, you can hate all the reasons, that’s fine. Lets take the absolute worst case view for Bernie in your mind and say he was bitter about having a system stacked against him and while he avidly campaigned for Hillary, he could have done so earlier and that hurt her. Fine.

To say you hate him and that specific thing equally with everything else that went wrong is frankly ridiculous. And I know you aren’t stupid or being disingenuous here so it’s a bit shocking to see you have that position. There’s simply no way that all of Hillary’s shortcomings, campaign mistakes, and outside influences (Comey, Russian misinformation campaigns etc) can all be equally responsible for her failures.

I love Bernie. I like Warren better. I've been a huge fan of hers for as long as she's been in the Senate and there is some part of me that just thinks if we have a huge social safety net, Euro-style benefits, and most of all force corporations to play fair and end their political influence - this capitalism could work - at least until I'm dead. Call me a pollyanna.

But Bernie is 1B and I will push hard for him if it becomes obvious it's him vs. Biden et al, which it looks like may be happening.

It bothers me to see all the vitriol for Warren here from Bernie Bros when her policies are by far the closest to his of any other candidates. I know she said he told her a woman can't be president - but he probably did say that at some point. Context matters, who knows, obviously he's been pro-women president at other times, Liz was probably out of line, fine. A decent amount of nasty stuff gets said in the primaries. It means very little in the grand scheme of things imo.

But FFS let's not spend our energies sniping at the one candidate we *should* be happiest to see after our own.

I read somewhere Russia is pushing the Bernie vs. Warren angle. I have no idea if that's true. But when I see so much vitriol for her from Bernie fans, vs. very little going the other way, I have to wonder.



*ducks*

Nah, you're pretty spot on. The Bernie Bro crowd got hit hard by the russiabot push back in 16 and it's happening again. Of course they did. Everyone did. It was a consistent, wide spread, coordinated attack with specific messages curated to different portions of the political spectrum with the intent to cause division and discord.

Bernie himself recognized the importance of that election and pushed for Hillary pretty hard. Bernie was not the problem on that front. The problem was the portion of his followers that bit for the "They stole the nomination from him so vote Trump to stick it to them", "They stole the nomination from him so vote Gary Johnson to not reward them", and "They stole the nomination him so just stay home because it's just two evils" propaganda that Russia pushed. Hell, here we are 3.5 years later and you still have a bunch of people acting like Hillary won the nomination for any reason other than "A bunch of olds voted for her and they are the largest voting block". They bit hard. People in this thread struggle to differentiate "Bernie" from "Bernie Bros" when defending this and keep repeating that Bernie campaigned for her as if it is relevant to the frustrations listed.

They are not the only reason things went poorly of course. Mainstream media giving an unfathomable amount of free publicity treating what should have been a sideshow seriously was a large part of it. Hillary just not campaigning enough in the key states was a large part of it. Comey doing whatever the **** that was was an enormous part. There were 100 other things of varying degrees. It was a part of it though.

As for Bernie himself, he has a long track record of being on the correct side of history. He also has the best chance to get people to vote FOR him rather AGAINST his opposition (which will ALWAYS increase turnout). I'm with you that a Bernie/Warren ticket would have been great and I still hope that we somehow end up with it.

Unfortunately, the same things that happened in 16 are already rearing their head again. The Russian bots are all over reddit/twitter pushing that the DNC is trying to screw Bernie again, the Bernie Bros are already chomping at the bit to say the Dem candidate deserves to lose when it isn't Bernie (one of them in this thread recently posted that hopefully it'll be the end of the Dems, so that lets you know where their head is at), and we're at risk of going through the exact same thing as last time. Which would, in my opinion, be catastrophic: Ginsburg is near 0% to make it 4 more years and a heavy R majority in the SC would set things back so far that it'll take decades to recover if we ever do.


Anyways, I'm hoping that when it's all said and done I can vote for one of them. Make no mistake about it though: I'm slamming the Biden button if that's my option. The alternative is as bad as it could possibly be.

And your reaction is to support the same people that have been enabling and complicit in those results while criticizing the strongest movement in the last 100+ years that opposes such a system?

I could recommend some books.

Dude that's not a Russian ploy. Its straight from the playbook of the elites throughout history. At this time it's the best play by the capitalist leaders of our society.

Btw, you know how is a "capitalist to the bones"? Ok well maybe she's lying about that like she lied about other internal components.

Jfc this whole page is a mess and this post in particular. Maybe I'll come back and address all the infuriating idiocy.

But for now, no it wasn't the Russians then and it sure as hell ain't them now. These are real flesh and blood Bernie supporters who want to usher in a new era of human rights and quality of life. Necessarily this will ever so slightly reduce the power and wealth of the elites.

But surely these same elites that have instantly opted for brutal murderous genocidal suppression of any threat, no matter how minute in tendency or scale will stand by while the strongest threat proly ever not only materializes but actually gains true power?

So clear motive and clear video evidence. See the Nevada caucus, the NY state convention, and watch the TYT video on CA primary. Look at WV and proly tons of other states that I either haven't researched or forgot. (And I will provide links if you want to actually read/watch). And clear historical precedence from elites throughout history in all society and really the founding principle of USA.

But you think it's the Russians? C'mon man.

I'm not even gonna really get into the whole idea that Bernie supporters should vote for the establishment demE as I've already in other posts but the entitlement is again infuriating. We aren't voting for Biden or anyone else and we never were. That's a good thing. 40% of the country doesn't vote. The movement taps into those downtrodden and disillusioned people motivated them. It gives them hope and a feeling of self determination.

Wtf does Hillary and Biden and buttigieg give? The status quo of subsistence living in an exploitive system.

It's not the Russians. And it never was.

I'm pissed the Russians are pulling **** like this
and https://www.politico.com/news/2020/0...legates-110083

It wasnt russians tweeting all the gaslighting bullshit about joe rogan. It was people ostensibly on the left who really just want to sink bernie no matter what.

I’m not sure if I just haven’t said it or I need to repeat it

I am going to vote for sanders. That doesn’t change my level of contempt

What, specifically, did he do?

He didn't fall in line with Donna Brazille and Whatshername Schultz.

LOL at the Russian **** itt.

The simple explanation is they realized they need a larger venue than they anticipated. bernie also does a lot better in cities, so that makes sense as to why it'd be more likely in "his regions". Oh sorry, CONSPIRACY THEORY.

second, in that own article if you read it, the DNC not only immediately rejected it, and nobody but a few people actually discussed that. All of whom quoted I've literally never heard of in my entire life.

I realize it's easier to believe in nonsensical conspiracy theories but I'd appreciate it if some of you would stop.

There were seriously people who actually believed that poll was cancelled because of a bernie conspiracy theory. This is how dumb this all is.

Who all has already piled on that nonsense it's rigged against bernie?

Michael moore (offiically campaigning for Bernie in Iowa), Jill Stein, bunch of republicans, and Donald Trump. That's the side you're on ffs. I get some of you are big bernie fans but god some of those supporters are just like trumps and have completely lost reality.

The real conspiracy would be the DNC not doing everything in their power to stop Bernie.

Lol

But for real it's hilarious how demE cries about the gerrymandering and then turns around to disenfranchise the Bernie vote every way possible

47% of bernie's supports say 'meh, maybe' when asked if they will support the eventual nominee if not the bern

you know why??

because he is not a ****ing democrat and most of his supporters don't give a rats ass about the party in general, just themselves.

Let’s believe conspiracy theories from people who aren’t even in Iowa or lets believe reality:


“Since Friday, there have been fewer than 10 changes out of 1,678 caucus locations, almost always for capacity reasons. All campaigns are informed of caucus location changes and all caucus-goers can check their locations at: I will vote.com”

Clearly massive conspiracy to prevent Bernie from winning by changing less than 1% of statewide caucus locations....

So the theory from fringe conspiracy theory Bernie supporters is that every other candidate and all of their supporters are in on a massive conspiracy where they change the caucus location so everyone except Bernie’s campaign and Bernie supporters know where it is....

Why should people care about the party?

meanwhile a wild john kerry emerges, musing about getting involved to stop the bern

imagine him thinking that he has that kind of power lolol

what has he even been doing the last 15 years? i completely forgot that he existed

Awful lot of establishment Dems be scared of THE BERN

Worth noting John Kerry dropped an F-Bomb on Twitter in response to this report.