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07-19-2019 , 09:41 AM
Correct. No matter what you try they will challenge in court and GOP states will try not to implement
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07-19-2019 , 10:13 AM
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Originally Posted by MrWookie
There isn't a way to do that against a party that acts in bad faith and pisses all over conventions in pursuit of power. But I would argue that the GOP may just go about doing all those things even if we keep the private insurance model.


Oh wow it seems that getting rid of health insurance companies solves all of this. Getting treated for cancer should cost in the thousands, not in the tens of thousands. Without insurance doctors and hospitals can’t charge astronomical fees to treat you. And I’d even go as far as allowing doctors to be tax exempt. Anything that will allow them to lower the cost. Let’s put it this way, I don’t believe in free healthcare, I believe in affordable healthcare, and by affordable I don’t mean affordable insurance. I mean if I need a heart transplant, I can save up out of a few paychecks for it, not ruin my entire life.
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07-19-2019 , 10:23 AM
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Originally Posted by CalledDownLight
One legitimate concern that I have heard raised over the last few days about M4A and universal healthcare is that it puts the power of covering healthcare under the power of the government and its agencies. The issue with this is that if we eliminate private insurance (which I have previously considered a huge positive, but am now reconsidering) Republicans in control can easily strip out certain coverages such as the coverage for birth control or other women's health issues, emergency coverage for rape victims, any mental healthcare that one would hope gets covered, any sort of medical help for addictions or other drug related issues, etc.
I would trade a permanent Hyde Amendment, enshrined in the Constitution if necessary, for carte blanche to create an otherwise incredibly progressive universal health care system. Of course, if I were in any position to offer that deal, Republicans would turn me down.
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07-19-2019 , 10:30 AM



lol creepy joe bipartisen going the way of schultz, betomania, etc
(liz prob won't win either, but if she does she can thank bernie for clearing the lane*)

big money boys gonna line up behind cop harris briefly before giving up all pretense and just going back allin fredo prolly

* - bernie obv has zero shot bc like 90% off ppl are openly "anyone but bernie"
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07-19-2019 , 10:43 AM
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Originally Posted by EddyB66
Oh wow it seems that getting rid of health insurance companies solves all of this. Getting treated for cancer should cost in the thousands, not in the tens of thousands. Without insurance doctors and hospitals can’t charge astronomical fees to treat you. And I’d even go as far as allowing doctors to be tax exempt. Anything that will allow them to lower the cost. Let’s put it this way, I don’t believe in free healthcare, I believe in affordable healthcare, and by affordable I don’t mean affordable insurance. I mean if I need a heart transplant, I can save up out of a few paychecks for it, not ruin my entire life.
Dude, my sides! Bwahahahaha; my wife’s cancer treatments run in the tens of thousands per week and that’s not unusual like my father’s was similar a decade ago for a completely different cancer.

Probably your best line since, “It’s illegal to not have $10,000?”
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07-19-2019 , 11:00 AM
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Originally Posted by 72off
1. Bernie
2. Warren
3. idk ... Gravel?
4. ..........
5. Williamson
6. Castro? Yang?
lol. Harris, Pete, Beto, etc
woat. most of the others
never. Republican/Libertarian


where's the lie?
There is only an 88% chance both of your top two candidates are even still alive by the election! They’re about a flip to both be alive by the next election.

This is madness. At least thank you for not listing Bernie as your #3.
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07-19-2019 , 08:15 PM
The head of Iowa's Dept. of Public Services was told to resign by the governor of Iowa, only a day after he sent an email to the entire IDPS using a Tupac quote as motivation.

Dude also:
-Made Tupac themed bake goods for office pitch ins
-Held "Tupac Fridays" in his office
-Assigned Tupac's work as mandatory reading for a college class he taught on the side

Let's all celebrate this hero who was too real for Iowa:

Spoiler:
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07-19-2019 , 08:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Holliday
Dude, my sides! Bwahahahaha; my wife’s cancer treatments run in the tens of thousands per week and that’s not unusual like my father’s was similar a decade ago for a completely different cancer.

Probably your best line since, “It’s illegal to not have $10,000?”
Medicare goat
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07-19-2019 , 08:39 PM
Looks like Dennis Prager
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07-20-2019 , 08:25 AM
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Originally Posted by EddyB66
Oh wow it seems that getting rid of health insurance companies solves all of this. Getting treated for cancer should cost in the thousands, not in the tens of thousands. Without insurance doctors and hospitals can’t charge astronomical fees to treat you. And I’d even go as far as allowing doctors to be tax exempt. Anything that will allow them to lower the cost. Let’s put it this way, I don’t believe in free healthcare, I believe in affordable healthcare, and by affordable I don’t mean affordable insurance. I mean if I need a heart transplant, I can save up out of a few paychecks for it, not ruin my entire life.
Cancer treatment in the tens of thousands per week/month is usually primarily the costs of medicines and not the doctors or hospitals.
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07-20-2019 , 01:45 PM
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Originally Posted by EddyB66
Oh wow it seems that getting rid of health insurance companies solves all of this. Getting treated for cancer should cost in the thousands, not in the tens of thousands. Without insurance doctors and hospitals can’t charge astronomical fees to treat you. And I’d even go as far as allowing doctors to be tax exempt. Anything that will allow them to lower the cost. Let’s put it this way, I don’t believe in free healthcare, I believe in affordable healthcare, and by affordable I don’t mean affordable insurance. I mean if I need a heart transplant, I can save up out of a few paychecks for it, not ruin my entire life.
LOL
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07-20-2019 , 01:57 PM
My parents have a dog with cancer. The expected cost for treatment over the next 15-18 months (the dog's expected lifespan with treatment for lymphoma) is around $18-20k. That is a dog which had an intestinal tumor removed and then getting 5 months of chemo (once a week for first 4 treatments then bi-weekly for next 4 months). Remission is expected to last 6-9 months after treatment ends and then it's more chemo and hope it works (usually won't and then it's into end of life stuff). Life expectancy without treatment is generally 1-2 months without treatment. Would have been 1 month or less in this case as the intestinal tumor was quickly becoming a serious problem.

That is for a dog. Ain't no way human cancer treatments are getting knocked down to <$10k no matter what unless you just ban treatment and give up.
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07-20-2019 , 04:48 PM
How old is the dog now and how good is the dog's quality of life going to be during all that chemo?
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07-20-2019 , 05:18 PM
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Originally Posted by 72off
1. Bernie
2. Warren
3. idk ... Gravel?
4. ..........
5. Williamson
6. Castro? Yang?
lol. Harris, Pete, Beto, etc
woat. most of the others
never. Republican/Libertarian


where's the lie?
Williamson way too low, but otherwise fine. Bonus points because the latest polling show Bernie is the most popular candidate among Dems and Independents, overtaking Biden who's now 2nd.
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07-20-2019 , 06:28 PM
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Originally Posted by suzzer99
How old is the dog now and how good is the dog's quality of life going to be during all that chemo?
The dog is ten. Chemo for dogs is not like chemo for humans. The focus on dogs is quality of life and if she makes it two years that will be a massive success while human chemo goes hard hoping to get a long term survival which can be many decades if things work out.

The dog is about six weeks into chemo and about two months since she had the tumor and some intestine removed. Her latest tests have the vet saying she's in remission and she's been a happy, playful dog ever since the surgery. Most dogs tolerate the chemo quite well and that's by design.

The dog probably has another 12-15 months of being a happy, good doggo and then a month or so of fast decline when she'll need to sleep. Lymphoma in dogs doesn't get cured permanently from the little i looked into it.
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07-20-2019 , 07:59 PM
paying 20k to give a 70 dog year old dog one more year of life s seems excessive to me unless you're rich as ****.
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07-20-2019 , 08:11 PM
They do have pet insurance which will pay some of it. My parents are retired and in their 70's and can afford to splurge on a dog if they want because they've been savers and never lived extravagantly.
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07-20-2019 , 08:40 PM
I'm happy for your parents to have the money. Clearly this dog means the world to them and they must be very loving people with a lot of heart.

But on a related note - saving money so you can pay $20k for dog surgery in your 70s isn't the most compelling argument to me to not enjoy yourself when you're young.

Again - no disrespect to your parents or the dog.
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07-20-2019 , 09:46 PM
Maybe they use the money they saved for other stuff too? And it's also possible to enjoy yourself without living extravagantly.
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07-20-2019 , 09:58 PM
it's also possible to get a bigger piece of the pie

all you have to do is stand up to rich ****s
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07-21-2019 , 02:20 AM
They retired at 55/53 because they were both college educated and worked but lived off one income. I don't think it's a coincidence they retired 10 months after the first grandkid showed up.
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07-21-2019 , 02:24 AM
Just curious have they kept active and engaged? And if so what kind of stuff do they do?

I'm close to semi-retiring at 51 - because I have no kids and very low income needs. If I retired 100% I think I'd be too bored. But then again grandkids would do a lot to alleviate the boredom.
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07-21-2019 , 02:41 AM
Staying active and engaged hasn't been a problem until recently. My mom isn't doing well and it's got my dad stuck taking care of her. I'm glad they were able to retire while still fairly young. They had about 18-19 great years of retirement until the past year or so.
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07-21-2019 , 01:32 PM
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Donald J. Trump @realDonaldTrump

I don’t believe the four Congresswomen are capable of loving our Country. They should apologize to America (and Israel) for the horrible (hateful) things they have said. They are destroying the Democrat Party, but are weak & insecure people who can never destroy our great Nation!
innit too soon in the process to be going full adolf?

also, if they're destroying the "Democrat" Party, why is he so mad about it?
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07-21-2019 , 01:42 PM
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Pete Buttigieg: "If we adopt a platform that's way out to the left, [Republicans are] going to say we're socialists. If we adopt a more moderate or conservative platform, they're going to say we're socialists. So we might as well just do what we think is right."
wow even dumbass pete finally speaking the truth
(tho are we still at like 1-2 candidates actually supporting m4a?)


lol creepy ol' joe bipartisen
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