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08-16-2018 , 01:14 AM
Ideas don't matter. Run someone likeable.
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08-16-2018 , 01:21 AM
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Originally Posted by RT
It's about keeping certain moderates from voting.
no, it's about getting your voters out

a substantial number were probably suppressed, but a **** tonne of others didn't bother showing up in 2016 bc basically nobody liked Shrilldawg


if "moderates" aren't #neverDrumpf by this point then they're a ****ing lost cause
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08-16-2018 , 01:22 AM
2012:
Obama: 65,915,795
Romney: 60,933,504

2016:
Hillary: 65,853,514 (-62,281)
Trump: 62,984,828 (+2,051,324)

Keep 200,000 of those new voters from turning out, don't give them a reason to feel so strongly against the Democrat, and we avoid this entire ****ing mess.
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08-16-2018 , 01:26 AM
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Originally Posted by RT
don't give them a reason to feel so strongly against the Democrat, and we avoid this entire ****ing mess.
like ... all these policies that are wildly popular?


2020: a ****ty centrist ... but better!
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08-16-2018 , 01:30 AM
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Originally Posted by RT
2012:
Obama: 65,915,795
Romney: 60,933,504

2016:
Hillary: 65,853,514 (-62,281)
Trump: 62,984,828 (+2,051,324)

Keep 200,000 of those new voters from turning out, don't give them a reason to feel so strongly against the Democrat, and we avoid this entire ****ing mess.
If the Republicans had run a candidate people felt strongly against, the Dems might not have lost 62k voters.
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08-16-2018 , 01:33 AM
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Originally Posted by Pwn_Master
Boom, Elizabeth Warren GOAT:

https://www.vox.com/2018/8/15/176830...m-corporations

Gets right at the heart of the problem, otherwise good people like Clark and CDL being indoctrinated to think they actually have a solemn duty to act like sociopaths.
CDL claims not to be indoctrinated, but rather it's a core belief he has always held. It's part of his code.

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I've thought it important to maximize wealth (individuals or corporations) for as long as I remember. Making more money by any legal means possible has always been a belief close to my core.
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08-16-2018 , 01:34 AM
"Moderates" aren't really a thing, which is not to say swing voters aren't a thing. There were plenty of voters who voted Obama twice and then Trump. They are not "moderates", rather they're voting consistently for change. A small-target strategy is a bad idea for the Dems. 2016 proved that you can't expect people to vote against the other guys, you have to give them a reason to vote for you. But it's also a mistake to be like "we just need ideas people like!". I mean that's true, but what you need more than ideas is a candidate voters like who is able to communicate those ideas to them.
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08-16-2018 , 01:37 AM
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Originally Posted by 72off
like ... all these policies that are wildly popular?


2020: a ****ty centrist ... but better!
We're arguing different sides of the same coin here.

You say we need to turn out more voters because they didn't turn out last time, but that's not true. Essentially the same number turned out in 2016 as did in 2012.

Trump and Co. brought out 2 million+ more votes. Even if 90% of those just love Red Hats and hate minorities, we can keep 10% home just by not giving them an interesting enough target to turn out. To me, that seems much easier than adding to a vote that already seems near it's (pre-Trump) peak.

This all may be a moot point come 2020 given the huge anti-Trump sentiment now, but a "****ty-centerist" that's not Hillary walks to this. Joe Biden probably wins by by 4 million votes.
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08-16-2018 , 01:39 AM
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Originally Posted by gregorio
If the Republicans had run a candidate people felt strongly against, the Dems might not have lost 62k voters.
Yeah, if only they'd run someone really offensive like Jeb Bush, and not a uniter like Trump, Dems would've really come out.

Wat
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08-16-2018 , 02:10 AM


MAGA
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08-16-2018 , 02:28 AM
Solid time to go after the ACA:

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08-16-2018 , 12:16 PM
luckily for them, nothing matters


in other news:

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Trump's military parade is now estimated to cost $92 million – $80 million more than earlier estimate
kinda can't believe they're actually gonna do this thing

how is the cut government waste party gonna spin this?

oh wait, nothing matters...
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08-16-2018 , 12:23 PM
You're not factoring in the Greatness that will be returned on the investment tho
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08-16-2018 , 02:35 PM
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Originally Posted by 72off
luckily for them, nothing matters


in other news:



kinda can't believe they're actually gonna do this thing

how is the cut government waste party gonna spin this?

oh wait, nothing matters...
Does that include all the money DC is going to need to rebuild all the roads that will be destroyed? Guessing not.
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08-16-2018 , 03:08 PM
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Originally Posted by True North
Does that include all the money DC is going to need to rebuild all the roads that will be destroyed? Guessing not.
They’re not funding that crap lol

Space force don’t need roads
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08-16-2018 , 05:47 PM
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Originally Posted by True North
Does that include all the money DC is going to need to rebuild all the roads that will be destroyed? Guessing not.
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Originally Posted by DWetzel
They’re not funding that crap lol

Space force don’t need roads
Supposedly the parade route streets can handle 70 ton tanks without any damage due to the treads spreading the weight out. Who knows, $90M for a parade is beyond absurd. The last one DC had in 1991 cost $8M I think. Good job draining the swamp, guys.
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08-16-2018 , 08:08 PM
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Donald J. Trump @realDonaldTrump

Turkey has taken advantage of the United States for many years. They are now holding our wonderful Christian Pastor, who I must now ask to represent our Country as a great patriot hostage. We will pay nothing for the release of an innocent man, but we are cutting back on Turkey!
hotdogs for thanksgiving huh? THANKS OBAMA


that tweet is a helluva ride ... i made it up, right? wattba
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08-16-2018 , 08:18 PM
08-16-2018 , 08:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Palo
Supposedly the parade route streets can handle 70 ton tanks without any damage due to the treads spreading the weight out. Who knows, $90M for a parade is beyond absurd. The last one DC had in 1991 cost $8M I think. Good job draining the swamp, guys.
Pentagon has postponed it
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08-16-2018 , 10:08 PM
From that link half the $90M cost was for security. I'm confused why a parade of good guys with enormous military grade guns would need outside protection measures.
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08-16-2018 , 11:03 PM
Manafort jurors are, best case scenario, ****ing morons
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08-16-2018 , 11:19 PM
Asking to define "reasonable doubt" seems like a bad sign...
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08-16-2018 , 11:47 PM
seems like they could just crossing the Ts and dotting the lower case Js before slamming the door shut given his entire defense was "maybe i didn't do it!? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯" from the sounds of things, or there's 1/2 morans who don't know what the "reasonable" part of reasonable doubt means so they're just clarifying that point for the slow kids

supposedly he's dead to rights on the tax fraud charges at least, so it'd be fairly shocking if he was acquitted


but my forte is bird law, so...
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08-16-2018 , 11:58 PM
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Originally Posted by RT
Asking to define "reasonable doubt" seems like a bad sign...
My understanding is that it is a common question from juries.
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08-17-2018 , 12:05 AM
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Originally Posted by 72off
seems like they could just crossing the Ts and dotting the lower case Js before slamming the door shut given his entire defense was "maybe i didn't do it!? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯" from the sounds of things, or there's 1/2 morans who don't know what the "reasonable" part of reasonable doubt means so they're just clarifying that point for the slow kids

supposedly he's dead to rights on the tax fraud charges at least, so it'd be fairly shocking if he was acquitted


but my forte is bird law, so...
It seems like he's dead to rights on all of it really. From what the reporting has said, it's a hilarious obvious trail of paper work that includes everything but a picture of him twirling his mustache.

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Originally Posted by BDHarrison
My understanding is that it is a common question from juries.
That's comforting. I always thought that was something the judge went over in jury instructions, but I've never been on trial for laundering money for despots, so I'm admittedly a little green.
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