Sure, but is there any situation where Trump gets impeached and his people don't immediately light Pence on fire and claim he knew everything? It's a tricky line he's trying to straddle. Door number one, he's a complete dupe. Door number two, he was in on it and he's a liar. (I think I know which one it is!) Anyway, this just doesn't seem like it ends well for Pence either.

Saw it said best elsewhere: If Bernie would have won, Bernie would have won.

2017/03/23

http://www.salon.com/2017/03/23/bern...om-the-inside/

If there's one thing you have to give credit for, it's that the VELOCITY OF SCANDAL is off the ****ing charts with this circus act. Huge numbers. Like, bigly metrics popping on number of breaking stories per hour, and I can't keep up. If you think Erdogan goons is getting buried, there's gonna be a ton of important stuff in retrospect that requires a Jurassic-period-type excavation to bring to surface.

Bernie being much worse than Hillary because he lost while simultaneously Hillary being much better than trump even tho he won (albeit she got more votes admittedly ) seems like a tough position to swallow unless you go full on nihilist and just say that every candidate is subpar or whatever ... Which I'm actually quite sympathetic to but still

but then again many people itt think Biden was somehow more progressive than Hillary despite every metric ever suggesting the opposite so whatever . Hypocrisy abounds on all side

Other than being a white male Biden is very mediocre

If you (realistically imo) think that some scrub like kasich or Rubio would have beat Hillary by more and simultaneously think that Bernie sucks because he lost to Hillary in a primary then you probably have some thinking to do

Sam Harris has had Anne Applebaum on his podcast recently with conversation around political tactics used by Trump and their origins in Russia, and a more recent take on the current crisis. They were interesting for a non-USA#1ian at least.

Here's the thing CDL,

We known for a fact that Hillary lost to Trump. We don't have to guess at that result. There's at least some chance that Bernie bests Trump (especially given he was crushing him h2h in polls during the primary, much moreso than Hillary was).

Styles make fights.

Also Bernie would be a significantly better President than Hillary, and I say that as someone who would likely be hurt financially by Bernie much more than by Hillary.

You've already proven over and over again you're clueless and have a total blind spot when it comes to far left candidates like Bernie and Warren so zip it.

post-hoc probability, how does it work?

Anyway if you guys wanna do something actually productive rather than whine about Trump and Thayer all day donate to Quist and Ossof or volunteer some time.

https://robquist.org

https://electjon.com

There's also

https://archieparnell.com

Who is drawing pretty much dead but w.e

Thanks, done.

Quist seems especially awesome. Openly for single payer and legalization of marijuana.

Ossof at 51% on predictit, Quist at 33%, Parnell at 9%

Some of these are really small districts though it really does not take a lot of votes to win.

Donations to Rob Quist, the bluegrass legend who won an unlikely bid for the nomination in March, have surpassed $5 million, his campaign announced on Thursday. The contributions averaged less than $25 each and came from roughly 200,000 individuals. For context, donations to Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.), who has endorsed Quist, averaged $27 donations during his insurgent bid for the Democratic presidential nomination last year.

Fundraising surged this month after Greg Gianforte, Quist’s multimillionaire Republican opponent, waffled on his support for the controversial health care bill just passed by the House. Gianforte told conservative lobbyists he backed the bill in a private call later published by The New York Times. He walked back the comment days later amid uproar from the more than 70,000 voters whose health insurance could be imperiled if the deeply unpopular American Health Care Act becomes law.

Quist, who supports single-payer health care and legalizing marijuana, has weathered his own history of financial woes, stemming from what he says was a botched gallbladder surgery that for years left him unqualified for affordable insurance.

By contrast, Gianforte, who narrowly lost a bid for the Montana governor’s mansion last year, raised $2 million from the Congressional Leadership Fund, a dark-money super PAC funded by “tobacco companies, video game manufacturers, other corporations and wealthy donors,” according to Bloomberg BNA. The tech mogul, who sold a software company to cloud-computing giant Oracle for $1.5 billion in 2011, loaned himself $1 million to finance his campaign ahead of the May 25 special election.


Republican attacks on Quist’s personal financial struggles have increased amid heightened scrutiny of Gianforte’s own investments. Gianforte listed in financial disclosures a nearly $48,000 stake in a French-Swiss cement maker accused of making payments to the Islamic State terror group, as HuffPost first reported on Wednesday. President Donald Trump criticized Democratic presidential nominee Hillary Clinton last August for once accepting a donation to the Clinton Foundation from the company. Vice President Mike Pence and Donald Trump Jr., the president’s son, campaigned last week alongside Gianforte.

Gianforte also invested nearly $250,000 in index funds with holdings in Gazprom and Rosneft, the Kremlin-controlled oil and gas firms sanctioned by the U.S. after Russia invaded Crimea, The Guardian reported last month.

Quist has trimmed a 15 point polling deficit to 6 in the last couple of weeks. All through small donations.

In "you're a scumbag sociopath with mental illness if you don't fall in line with the DNC" news:

CDL,

Bernie more "unlikable" than Hillary? Loooooooooooooooooooooooool. Thinking he'd be a worse president is defensible. Hillary is extremely unlikable and Bernie is a great person though.

Like what is Tom Perez actually doing? They completely whiffed on what turned out to be a winnable Kansas seat and they're doing the same thing now in Montana. Fool me once etc;

It's not like that are hundreds of elections that need resources. There are a few contested house seats and then nothing until 2018. How do you not go balls to the wall here. It's either baffling incompetence even for the Democratic Party or more likely DNC leadership just truly doesn't give a **** and they don't want an actual progressive movement to happen.

I like the idea of donating to Swing Left for districts in which "moderate" Rs voted for AHCA. Bit premature but helps send a quantifiable message to these ****s on this issue.

"Fourth largest state" by...landmass. Oh, ok, took me a few minutes there.

Could it be the DNC laying off all their staff, again?

DNC helpless in the face of dat dark PAC video game money

Pretty amazing that GOP is all out attacking him for having a poor personal financial situation when the direct cause of that is how horrible our healthcare system was. While simultaneously arguing that's the system we should go back to.

This country deserves to just be nuked to oblivion by NK.

That stuff is depressing

I want to be very clear that I am not defending Tom Perez or the DNC's work in this post.

Quist rejected DNC assistance when it was offered, seemingly because he views it as detrimental in Montana - no one likes the DNC in Montana. He is taking a page from Bernie's book in that regard.

Perez's options are to bend the knee and fund ads anyway, or do what he's doing, which is respect the guy's wishes. It may be that Quist is right, and that Perez has concluded that Quist maxes his odds by remaining Bernie-ish.

So yes, there is a reasonable narrative here that goes: the DNC is so ****ty that not being involved in close races because of its own unpopularity is an acknowledged GTO strategy.

Dump needs Pence for a pardon obv. Pence holds the cards as this **** goes down bc of that