Sure, he's doing more if you count bad solutions to non existent problems

Disko and pwnsall,
Do you really think the wall is a good idea?

I can't figure out if you're trolling or not.

Edit: also, LOL at Trump being alpha. Just look at his body language while refusing to shake Merkel's hand. That's about as beta as it comes.

I'm not sure it's practical but I like it as a symbol

Also it will put Americans to work

What is a nation if it can't define and defend its borders?

hopefully the next Trump EO outright bans all immigration

enforcing laws already on the books is a good start

So many questions that I don't expect to get answered... Do we not have defined borders? Do we not defend them? What are the consequences we're facing due to our lack of defined and defended borders, why are those bad, and how will a wall fix that better than other alternatives?

And also, why is this a better use of funds than other cool things like providing healthcare to citizens or educating children?

Walls don't work tho. Planes are a thing

lol no, they don't care about any of that. They only care that he likes some of the same dumb things they like so it's cool.

So are shovels and boats (this just in)

Obviously the solution is to spend trillions of dollars to encase America in a bubble

I was only speaking on the general morality of building a wall and why it's ok.

I don't think it's one or the other. Also I'm a modern monetary theorist. It's about resources and labor. We have plenty of the labor and resources shouldn't be a problem.

I'd also say protecting borders is more fundamental for the federal govt than either of the others.

Protecting the border is a pretty fundamental obligation of the government imo. I obviously don't think the wall will completely stop illegal immigration but there's plenty of evidence to suggest physical, man-made structures limit successful crossing attempts in both the US and other countries.

Whether it's cost effective or not is obviously another question and impossible to answer without all the specifics. Based on what I've read, it seems like it should be a net positive but it's possible I fell into a FAKE NEWS black hole. I don't think anyone can answer that question with the information we have today and I'm not an economics expert or anything close to it so won't even attempt to guess myself.

There's no denying trump is a clown but I'd much rather have a clown pushing these things than a clown who doesn't. Hillary and Obama wanted a wall but couldn't get it done.

Wait, people still actually think drumpf is an alpha male?

Lololololol gtfo

It's not impossible to answer. It's very clearly not cost effective to anyone who isn't a complete idiot.

Show your $tat$

Also, you're assuming Mexico will not pay for it?

border security is definitely paramount importance and more money should be allocated to improving it but the wall is a completely impractical waste of money that is by all accounts logistically impossible to both finish and be effective on the level people expect it to be. drumpf's wall is basically a symbolic, ignorant gesture that billions will be wasted on so supbros in red hats can high five each other about how they trumped mexico or some ****

and that's not even considering the morality of using eminent domain for many miles of this to take the land of citizens so you can build this useless cluster****

why hasn't trump got us out of NAFTA yet



real cuck

why hasn't he passed a bill mandating e-verify yet?

starting to make Rubio look like an immigration hardliner

I'm not super knowledgeable on this but from what I do know even if Trump casted a magical spell and built his wall vision for free it would be a net economic negative for America.

drumpf on wall:

1. promise: MEXICO WILL PAY
2. in reality: america will pay
3. promise: BUT TAKE MY WORD FOR IT DOWN THE ROAD MEXICO WILL PAY

drumpf on health insurance:
1. promise: WE'RE GOING TO REPEAL OBUMMERCARE AND EVERYONE WILL HAVE INSURANCE
2. in reality: millions will lose insurance
3. promise: BUT TAKE MY WORD FOR IT DOWN THE ROAD EVERYONE WILL HAVE INSURANCE

so i mean, considering how many times he's walked back his promises from the small to the big and either promised to address them a later point or flat out admitted he simply won't do it on what basis would anyone truly believe mexico is paying for this wall? nobody really seems to believe that anyway

an idiot ran ultrahot and won. trump is chris moneymaker bankrolled and coached by david sklanksy (paranoid crackpot billionaire robert mercer) and is now sitting in a high stakes cash game with phil ivey (xi jinping) and tom dwan (vlad putin)

the literal fate of the world hangs in the balance and we have chris ****ing moneymaker playing for us.

This isn't a problem whatsoever for trump or people that want a wall.

trump watches cable news all day to distract him from his crippling insecurities while the administrative functions of the government fall apart.

Mexico will pay for the wall when they decide to put a stop to the hordes of illegal USA#200 citizens fleeing the domestic Trump apocalypse.

I've still never heard if it's going in the middle of the Rio Grande or what

What does a net economic gain even mean to you all? The point of a wall is to keep out illegal immigrants and protect borders not increase production of corn or get more dollars (which we have an unlimited supply of).