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05-29-2024 , 08:48 PM



no choice but to declare a truce with kyrie i guess. unsurprised by jaylen brown, pedro pascal, aaron paul and many of the others, who have always been cool
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05-29-2024 , 09:43 PM
What’s demoralizing is there’s no way out no matter who is president. Sloppy Joe (how did Sleepy Joe get coined but not that?) is just gonna golly gee shucks his way into endless death. Nikki Haley is out there in Israel signing missiles with ‘kill them all’ or something to that effect. And lo-****ing-l at the idea that Donald ****ing trump is going to save brown people from indiscriminate genocide

Waaf
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05-29-2024 , 09:46 PM
Biden is basically the human embodiment of that pointless ‘love lives here’ sign your neighbor put in their front lawn to pretend they care
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05-29-2024 , 10:35 PM
peace might be possible idk. supposedly they recently reached another agreement that hamas accepted, usa#1 accepted, but israel vetoed at the last minute. this breaking points video covers the negotiations:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZKZzXN7M2kw
(the back half is the relevant part, it's only like 5 minutes)

sounds like this is only for a temporary ceasefire though, because israel refuses to accept a permanent one. plus today israel said they want to drag this out until at least december, for obvious reasons...

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4. israel hates the dems and want trump in power, so i'd be stunned if this ended before november
at this point israel, and especially netanyahu, seem like the biggest obstacles to peace. can they not do anything about that?? keep the pressure on i guess...
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05-29-2024 , 11:41 PM
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at this point israel, and especially netanyahu, seem like the biggest obstacles to peace. can they not do anything about that?? keep the pressure on i guess...
I mean...no ****?

The Isreali Defense Minister's wiki page is insane:

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Ben Gvir, who is a settler in the Israeli-occupied West Bank, has called for the expulsion of Arab citizens of Israel who are not loyal to Israel and has faced criminal charges of hate speech against Arabs. He is "widely known for his openly racist, anti-Arab views and activities".Ben Gvir was also previously convicted of supporting Kach, classified by Israel as a terrorist group, which espoused Kahanism, an anti-Arab and religious Zionist ideology. In the 1990s, he protested against the Oslo Accords and was seen brandishing a Cadillac hood ornament stolen from Prime Minister Yitzhak Rabin's car, who was later assassinated. Ben Gvir was known to have a portrait in his living room of Baruch Goldstein, a Jewish extremist and Israeli-American mass murderer who massacred 29 Palestinian Muslim worshipers and wounded 125 others in the 1994 Cave of the Patriarchs massacre in Hebron. He removed the portrait after he entered politics. In 2007, Ben Gvir was found guilty in an Israeli court of inciting support to a racist terrorist organization.
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When he came of age for conscription into the Israel Defense Forces at 18, he was exempted from service by the IDF due to his extreme-right political background
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In the 1990s, he was active in protests against the Oslo Accords. In 1995, Ben-Gvir came to public attention for the first time, when he appeared on television brandishing a Cadillac hood ornament that had been stolen from Prime Minister Yitzhak Rabin's car, and declared: "We got to his car, and we'll get to him too." Several weeks later, Rabin was assassinated by right-wing extremist Yigal Amir.
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In August 2023 he stated "My right, and my wife's and my children's right, to get around on the roads in Judea and Samaria is more important than the right to movement for Arabs".
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In November 2023 he declared that "when they say that Hamas needs to be eliminated, it also means those who sing, those who support and those who distribute candy, all of these are terrorists." On 1 January 2024, Ben-Gvir said that the war with Hamas presented an "opportunity to concentrate on encouraging the migration of the residents of Gaza."[65] He has stated that "We cannot withdraw from any territory we are in in the Gaza Strip. Not only do I not rule out Jewish settlement there, I believe it is also an important thing".On the day a number of European countries recognised a Palestinian state, Ben-Gvir entered the Al-Aqsa Mosque compound and said "We will not allow any surrender that would even include a declaration of a Palestinian state" and that the mosque site belongs "only to the State of Israel".
Bibi's government isn't exactly subtle.
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05-30-2024 , 01:10 PM



ok scratch my last post, maybe peace isn't possible after all


also it might warm the heart to know that reportedly morning joe is one of the only "left" things that genocide joe considers to ensure that his ideological bases are covered, supposedly loves that show like trump loves foxnews
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05-30-2024 , 02:50 PM
https://theintercept.com/2024/05/30/...l-saudi-trump/

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WHY DOES Joe Biden insist on pursuing a foreign policy of blind support of Israel’s war on Gaza? In addition to the moral calamity — on full display as Israel bombed Palestinian refugee camps in Gaza — it has also exacted a political cost, damaging his relationship with his base and swing state voters. Critics have attributed Biden’s disastrous handling of the war to incompetence or his lifelong Zionism.

What is really at the center of the administration’s policy, however, is an insidious geopolitical play that will make the world a more dangerous place, advancing U.S. imperial interests under the guise of a diplomatic deal.

Biden wants to tie the U.S. to one of the most abhorrent regimes in the world for decades to come, striking a far-reaching security deal with Saudi Arabia — an agreement that would put American lives on the line to protect the Saudi dictatorship and lock us into a new cold war. And Biden’s big plan for peace in the Middle East is straight out of Donald Trump’s playbook.

After going all-in on Israel’s genocidal campaign, the Biden administration is doing everything it can to ram through the Saudi deal, hoping that solving the Gaza crisis can score a win heading into the election.

As part of the deal, the U.S. would commit to militarily defending Saudi Arabia, a repressive dictatorship that has been a destructive force in the region for years.

Biden’s team has long considered a deal with Saudi Arabia to be a cornerstone of Washington’s broader Middle East strategy. The pact would build directly on the Trump administration’s Abraham Accords — a set of Israeli normalization agreements with the United Arab Emirates and Bahrain — but offer something those deals didn’t: the security guarantee.

[...] it’s no secret that Biden’s push for a Saudi deal is largely about escalating its proxy war against Iran and “great power competition” with China.

With the election closing in, few influential Democrats are willing to intervene when Biden is so desperate for a win in the region. Fewer still will say what everyone knows about the Saudi pact: It’s just a bad deal.

The push to place American military might between Saudi Arabia and its enemies is a stark reversal. When he ran for president, Biden vowed to make the country a “pariah” for its rights violations and halt weapons sales.

Instead, the defense pact with Saudi Arabia would mean sacrificing American blood and treasure to protect a government best known in recent years for its assassination of journalist Jamal Khashoggi and its brutal war in Yemen.

[...] “This progress will in turn allow for Israel to normalize its relationship with Saudi Arabia and more comprehensively integrate itself into the region,” Mouton wrote, alluding to the ability to “fully unlock US arms sales to Saudi Arabia.”

[...] In addition to the security guarantee, the U.S. is reportedly considering supporting a Saudi civil nuclear program and offering access to advanced U.S. weapons that were previously off-limits.

[...] Even MAGA Republicans have reason to oppose a Saudi deal: It goes even further than their president’s deals in sacrificing U.S. interests. Trump’s Abraham Accords between UAE, Bahrain, and Israel may have shored up those monarchies’ dictatorship, but they did not so overtly subsume U.S. security to a foreign country’s interests.

big election year "win" is a peace deal for genocidal apartheid pariah state israel with the guys who literally did 9/11, it has never been more joever...
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05-30-2024 , 04:57 PM
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In March 2023, Semafor launched its "China and Global Business Initiative," a collaboration with the Center for China and Globalization (CCG), a think tank registered as a non-governmental organization, though its independence from the Chinese Communist Party has been disputed.
Cool.

In other news, we apparently have a verdict
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05-30-2024 , 05:07 PM
They just keep saying Guilty
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05-30-2024 , 05:08 PM
i mean in the video they said that poll and whatever was commissioned by the dem party. also there was the segment about the similar wapo polling. are they both secretly controlled by COMMUNIST CHINA? do you think they're inventing this idea that young ppl have negative opinions about usa#1, the world, the future, etc? (basically everything)
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05-30-2024 , 05:09 PM
How many can we get to? This is incredible lol
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05-30-2024 , 05:10 PM
GUILTY on all counts. Wowwww
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05-30-2024 , 05:12 PM
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Originally Posted by 72off
i mean in the video they said that poll and whatever was commissioned by the dem party. also there was the segment about the similar wapo polling. are they both secretly controlled by COMMUNIST CHINA? do you think they're inventing this idea that young ppl have negative opinions about usa#1, the world, the future, etc? (basically everything)
No, I think it's an opinion piece based on this poll which has suspect methodology and a MoE of 5.8%, but whatever, some polls are better than others. The bigger issue is the piece doesn't even seem the same thing the poll it's referencing does.

Regardless, yeah, I would assume THE YOUTH ain't happy.

Anyway, Ladies and Gents we got 'em. Of the two sweeps I've endured this week, I enjoyed this one much more.
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05-30-2024 , 05:23 PM
Convicted felons are ineligible to vote in Florida. He'll have to ask Ron for his voting rights back after serving his sentence. That's nice

Edit: I was wrong here. Apparently Florida defers to the state in which a person is convicted to determine if they disenfranchise a felon. Because NY has reasonable laws that allows felons to vote, Trump would still be allowed to vote.

Last edited by RT; 05-30-2024 at 05:30 PM.
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05-30-2024 , 05:24 PM
lock him up?
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05-30-2024 , 05:27 PM
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lock him up?
Best we can do is probation and "Out on Bail" shirts out by Friday.

Might take a ~5% hit at the polls tho, so that's something.
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05-30-2024 , 05:30 PM
yeah i was literally just about to say: now to find out that those poles saying that 30-33% of republicans wouldn't vote for him if he's convicted of anything are complete bs. i mean, not the poles, but the ppl saying that. "never trumpers" are ~1%
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05-30-2024 , 11:56 PM



this is from 3 weeks ago, so obviously everything has gotten even worse since they moved into rafah. genocide joe still isn't even trying to stop this, honestly he should resign. and not just because of this. **** off and die already


here's another one of hasan talking to an aid worker for a fundraiser. i think they're both worth watching, even as soul-crushing as it is
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=20i884JLJjk
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05-31-2024 , 01:20 PM
https://defector.com/the-doubts-were-not-reasonable

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Donald Trump's political career has been one long demonstration that the legal structures that were supposed to be the bedrock of the rule of law are worthless. Impeachment was no match for a cynically disciplined political party. The Emoluments Clause and the Insurrection Clause are words on paper that the Supreme Court chose not to read. Even a well-tested prosecution machine like the Espionage Act is nothing that a determined judge can't rig her way around.

What caught up with Donald Trump was not the majesty of the republic but a civil suit for sexually assaulting someone in a department-store changing room and lying about it, and another civil suit for cooking the books on his property assessments, and now the criminal charges for covering up his hush-money payments. He is, as a matter of legal record, a rapist, a fraud, and a felon, on the edge of financial ruin and at risk of imprisonment.
i'd like to see ol donny wriggle his way out of this jam...

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He might yet return to the White House, but he'll go there as a convicted crook.
ladies and gentlemen, we got him
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Yesterday , 12:59 AM
What is the solution with the Supreme Court.

The right wing judges have taken off their mask and are now in full villain mode.

Recuse myself for a legit reason? Naaaaa not me I'm on the Supreme Court bitch so I can do what I want.

The liberal justices need to fight fire with fire instead of pretending like they matter. It's 6-3 so no you don't matter in their eyes.

If I were Jackson, I'd go nuclear. I'd walk into that POS Robert's office, stand on his desk, drop my pants AND TAKE A BIG FAT DUMP ON IT.

They've made it clear there's no repercussions to their actions so the Liberals needs to abuse the system until it breaks.

Make sure to take the dump with your robe on too, to make it more ceremonial.
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Yesterday , 09:36 AM
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What is the solution with the Supreme Court.
1) Keep a Democrat in the White House for the next 12-16 years until a few die so they can replace them.

2) Get 50%+1 Reps and 67 Senators and start impeaching and removing

3) Politically motivated violence

None of those are happening so, dumps for days I guess
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Yesterday , 02:58 PM
The solution is to pour some booze into this (turns out i was right about everything hillary mug)
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Yesterday , 08:43 PM
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Former president Donald Trump promised to crush pro-Palestinian protests on college campuses, telling a roomful of donors — a group that he joked included “98 percent of my Jewish friends” — that he would expel student demonstrators from the United States, according to participants in the roundtable event with him in New York. “One thing I do is, any student that protests, I throw them out of the country. You know, there are a lot of foreign students. As soon as they hear that, they’re going to behave,” Trump said on May 14, according to donors at the event.
Cool
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Yesterday , 08:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Chilltown
What is the solution with the Supreme Court.

The right wing judges have taken off their mask and are now in full villain mode.

Recuse myself for a legit reason? Naaaaa not me I'm on the Supreme Court bitch so I can do what I want.

The liberal justices need to fight fire with fire instead of pretending like they matter. It's 6-3 so no you don't matter in their eyes.

If I were Jackson, I'd go nuclear. I'd walk into that POS Robert's office, stand on his desk, drop my pants AND TAKE A BIG FAT DUMP ON IT.

They've made it clear there's no repercussions to their actions so the Liberals needs to abuse the system until it breaks.

Make sure to take the dump with your robe on too, to make it more ceremonial.
It won’t happen but the actual solution is for biden to campaign on a promise to expand the court to 11 to negate the clear biases of Alito and Thomas if he gets re-elected and Dems take and control Congress/senate. Campaign on the Garland lie when they forced ACB after that charlatan feminist died. Basically campaign that roe being overturned is clear evidence that the right isn’t ****ing around so they can’t be allowed to keep on keeping on

But more likely there will be some nonsensical appeal to decency and the right lols their way to the presidency, senate, and indiscriminate vague vengeance
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