Also rivals two had that section where they had to carry like 30 body bags or whatever from one side to the other. That’s what this needed. It didn’t have anything remotely physical. Pretty dumb.

Jordan annihilates any guy this season on this finale. It played to his strengths nearly every stage. Sick if he did have a bum knee too

Guy has Landon like WIM. Good bit of similarities

Jordan vs Bananas in a final would've been interesting.

All this variance has to go though.

reunion show running 7 days later is wack. should be 2 hour finale/reunion.

that was awful

i think the challenge era has come and gone bros

Yeah, that was pretty terrible, straight cardio. CT was drawing dead, way too heavy in the thin air. Cara's the one who showed some WIL, she's tiny and got killed in that final run. And lol at handing out five minute penalties when half the stages were decided by a matter of seconds. Whoever designs this stuff is terrible at their job

it is not looking good for next season

http://thechallenge.wikia.com/wiki/Vendettas

brad comes back but no ct, wes, darrell, derrick, jordan, hunter

girls side were stuck with completely useless people like jemmye, veronica, marie, sylvia and have to hear nicole talk again. no jenna, tori or camilla

Show has been bad since the season it was Wes vs Bananas and Sarah screwed Bananas over.

Everything else has been terrible. Bloodlines, Rivals 3, Invasion of the Champions and this season all pretty bad.

Yeah cast looks awful

A tough dilemma the show has is if you try to bring back guys like Brad, Derrick, CT they just add nothing to the show now because they aren't 25 year old meatheads anymore.

But the newer generation just hasn't been able to pick up the slack.

So then you get this AOYT and all these other feeder shows and it just doesn't work.

was that the season where wes played the best political game ever and got screwed by literally everyone else getting a second chance in some exile house except for him. its a terrible concept, i agree that was the turning point

finals now are just a mishmash collection of random events. im not sure why they cant understand that hiding who is winning does not create drama or interest, it just makes me want to skip thru everything

yeah, that season was good up until that point because it was Wes/Bananas and Wes got Leroy to send Zach in as well.

Then the season after that was bloodlines and we've never looked back.

I dont think there was that much of a difference between 1st and 3rd in that leg.

Yeah I feel bad declaring it dead but it’s definitely watered down with all the commercials longer seasons and pure marathon finales

A bit frustrating

I think Jordan won every leg but sudoku

No hunter in next season means his hand is still miffed I presume. No way he voluntarily misses it. Jordan is awesome. Whether we want to accept it or not ct Derrick etc add no drama to the show anymore. Still some good performances and Darrell is funny but he’s dull too

The entire season was trash. It's probably entirely on the showrunners, too. Format, pacing, challenges...all garbage.

I remember the formats for Rivals 2 and Bloodlines finales being great. The checkpoints that you can do in any order allow the producers to edit it for some drama, but I'd feel much more satisfied by a low drama final where the best person wins rather than keeping everybody artificially close through dumb challenges.

rivals 2 final was the gold standard

you had swimming, kayaking, mutiple puzzles, actual math, eating, physical strength based, and distance running

instead of this **** where its basically pure endurance with stupid advantages

seems legit to make someone do twice the amount of work as everyone else - oh and sick 30 second stage

but didnt you appreciate the DIRTINESS of just giving people time penalties that are 10x longer than the difference to complete stages

also that "puzzle" with the numbers wasnt actually a puzzle. the numbers literally did not depend on where you put any other numbers, you just needed to follow the line and have 1-6 on it

this pissed me off. a puzzle needs to have the upside of cory meltdown's with the triangles

I hate that they just need to go "BIGGER AND MORE EXTREME" with every single final. I can't think of a single time where the final was enhanced by the overnight portion of it. Just run a 1-day Spartan Race style thing with some more raw strength required to even the field a little bit between the pure endurance beasts and the bigger competitors, and see who can get it done.

it was fine when the final was truly split into two days. now they just have some token event everyone finishes at the same time as they show a montage

back in the rivals era you would stagger starts based on your time from the day before and there was this crazy concept where the first one to reach the finish wins

I thought the following were fine overnight portions:

-one of the pair standing on a stump all night

-the one where random people came through and they had to recall key facts and the order the next morning

Yep, pretty much the lack of staggered starts ruins everything. It completely kills any sort of narrative since it's just a collection of jumbled events with no cohesive story line. Then waiting to announce the winner until the reunion is just the icing on the cake, it's just so transparently manipulative that it's impossible to take it seriously.

They need to get rid of the stupid random gimmicks like the double cross, never again have an exile house, stop editing the events so that you have no idea who's winning and who's losing, and go back to having an actual political game that matters followed by challenges and eliminations that are straightforward tests of skill and athleticism and let the best man win. You don't need to trick people if the actual machinations of the show are compelling

Could not disagree harder. Bananas basically won the right to screw over Sarah because he stood on the log longer than she did overnight. Bananas also claimed he hooked up with Camila in the one where they won as partners in the overnight tent as a way of calming down her insanity during the final.
That was a normal challenge, no? I don't think they've done that in a final yet, could be wrong though.

i think my favorite overnight is when they had to put all the beads on the string and came to a gentlemans agreement to just all sleep instead, then teej walks in like "WHAT THE **** IS GOING ON HERE"

Everything was better in the olden days. Yawn.

ya, i feel like theyre just trying to make the best spectacle and have it look epic, rather than focus on the actual format and challenge part. and it does need to be one continuous race rather than all these small portions

i feel like the challenges that were done in male/female pairs worked out a lot better than the individual style ones