I don't get the gloating from some. I consider myself, despite being the owner of lots of free money, having been totally proved wrong on this fight. Even though I was right about McGregors ~ 1% equity.

Proved wrong how?

FMJ did what he wanted for ten rounds. So confused by some of the reactions....

They believe that because Floyd opted to let Conor throw weak punches against his guard before landing over half of his Power shots in route to pummeling Conor, that Conor outperformed expectations.

Already said it in the other thread, but I think it's clear that both sides are guilty of confirmation bias wrt their analysis of the fight. Floyd dominated the fight and Conor outperformed expectations, but both sides are super eager to declare victory and take credit away from the other side.

I was wasted for the fight and won a lot of money from morons by I'm pretty sure Conor did way better than I expected

Conor 100% outperformed expectations. Yet got utterly dominated and would basically never win that fight except with the lightning in the bottle moment.

This x 1000. But what fun is it to have a reasonable unbiased opinion?

This doesn't make sense. The whole reason the money was free was because he had 1% equity. Nothing we saw suggests he wins that fight more than 1 out of 100.

i think he means proved wrong in that conor landed some decent jabs and managed to put pbf off balance occasionally, ie he did some actual boxing things with medium regularity. which no1 was expecting

but should be noted that his power was way less than ev1 was expecting also, so swings & roundabouts

He won ****ing rounds. That's astonishing to me. Even though it was basically Mayweather sandbagging deliberately.

McGregor did better than almost anyone could have reasonably hoped for. He raised his own brand imo.

His chance of winning was close to 0% going in. Not sure if it is higher in a rematch (there wont be one). Not only because there's such a massive difference in ability, but also because Mcgregor didn't seem to carry much of his punching power over from mma.

Floyd was an amazing bet. One of the best ever.

FYP

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I guess it depends on your expectations. I posted my prediction in the fight thread and explained essentially how it went down.

The problem I have the "Conor did better than we expected side" is that you're basically giving him credit for landing more punches and/or lasting longer than you thought.

He landed punches, sure, but none had any effect and he only landed those punches that Floyd allowed. Floyd literally fought in a simple high guard 95% of the fight like he was Joshua Clottey or something. He knew Conor has zero technique and couldn't harm him and was proven correctly. Giving Conor credit for landing the punches he did (more than Manny OH EM GEE!!) is basically giving him credit for getting in the ring and then being dictated to by Floyd.

It's the same with giving him points for "lasting longer". Someone in the fight thread suggested it would've been more fun as a 5 round fight, and I think that's wrong. If it's 5 rounds, Floyd basically unloads the clip from the start and takes more shots but stops Conor all the same. Conor has a fine chin, but Floyd landed at will for much of the fight.

I'll point again to the jab stats for Floyd, those are insane and tell you all you really need to know.

It was his boxing debut against this eras greatest. Most anyone who watch both mma and boxing thought it would be a shutout and if Floyd so decided it wouldn't last more than 6 rounds.

I really don't see how the fight didn't exceed anyones expectations on what an mma fighter with limited boxing ability could do against a guy who basically toyed with Pacquiao and Canelo.

Conor was not close to winning, but im not sure anyone here is stating that?

haha, i mean, i don't know how you can be smart enough to type your third sentence yet still type the first two. floyd threw six punches in the first round! there are thousands of people in the world who could have won that first round vs him given he adopted that strategy.


and if floyd had so decided, it obviously wouldn't have?

floyd could very easily have completely toyed with conor by just counter punching all night, but he actually gave the fans an enjoyable fight. it was fun, and after it ended i really thought it was just the perfect outcome for everyone involved, but the casuals on facebook and reddit are making me pretty angry right now.

this rounds talk is like a guy who comes 12th in the 10,000m saying 'at least i beat mo farah for 6 laps!' even though mo was at the back of the pack waving to the crowd that whole time.

I personally thought Conor fought as well as he could've. He didn't rush in recklessly (that's how he'd be KO'd early imo) and he did just enough to win the early rounds that Floyd did nothing in as usual (even moreso this time).

That doesn't mean he looked good, he looked like a C level 160lb weight boxer fighting an old defensive genius.

The problem with saying Conor outperformed everyone's expectations is that so many Conor bettors said there was no way that Floyd could stop him. They were completely wrong. Also Conor's power in boxing was not very good. Floyd stood in the pocket for 10 rounds and nothing really seemed to bother him. Floyd wouldn't even do that vs Berto.

The fight should be really good for boxing. So many casual fans, other fighting sport fans tuned in last night and by the sounds of it were pretty happy with the event. I heard guys at the gathering I was at that know nothing about boxing getting pumped for Canelo GGG by the end of the night. That's great.

Of course the fight was a glorified exhibition, and I get the hate for it, but it's not like Cotto's fight was much better. He was facing a guy that needed 2 fights to get through Soto Karass and had previously beaten an 8-5 opponent. Not exactly a legitimate opponent for Cotto either, and a farce that it was for a world title. But I heard that fight was also entertaining.

Most of the credit I'm giving him is due to him lasting as long as he did while taking that kind of punishment, even when factoring in that Floyd was intentionally unaggressive the first few rounds.

I don't think there's any doubt for example that Floyd wishes he had knocked him down a few times, and probably thought it would be easier to do, but it didn't happen. It doesn't change the fact that he beat the **** out of Conor and would again, but it's silly for people to act as if everything that happened was exactly the way Floyd planned it. You can give Conor some credit while acknowledging that Floyd dominated. Dude's got for days.

You Ritz bros can at least agree that Muhammad Ali had no chance to win any of the first 6 rounds against George Foreman, right?

I mean sure he layed against the ropes as his plan was to tire George out, but if he tried anything else he would have been KO'd.

When someone says "Conor won rounds tho" there comes with it the tacit understanding that Conor won those rounds on merit.

Conor just won rounds that Floyd allowed him to have. He didn't "earn" those rounds, he was just handed them.

I expected Conor to outbox Floyd for 0 minutes and Conor outboxed Floyd for 0 minutes. #ExpectationsMet

Conor deserves a ton of credit for his heart. No argument there.

I dont know if I can give Conor credit for his heart. He cant dig deep and keep fighting when he gets tired. He just gives up pretty much and stops defending.
I give him more credit for what he did early in the fight. Although it was part of Floyd's plan to let him punch himself out he was hitting him with some decent jabs and counters that I dont think Floyd expected.


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Conor looked better than I expected for sure. Not because he 'won' rounds though. Just his overall movement, form, etc. I thought he'd be much more of a mess from the jump. All credit due. The man is a marketing genius, no denying that. Still in awe of those lines.

Re: Canelo/GGG- I am not as knowledgeable on either of these guys as some of you, so I was wondering peoples thoughts. My initial gut reaction was to take GGG, but I've heard some arguments that Canelo might be the bet....

Get ****ing jacked, men:

That definitely gets you pumped.

I know this is a generic thing to say but I do feel like McG/Mayweather does take away from the event that GGG/Canelo should be. Just seems like it is going to be tough for the sports world to get up for another fight like that in just 2 weeks. Especially with NFL and CFB gearing up.

It's unfortunate too because it is a once every 3-5 years type of superfight.

jesus christ i'm rewatching the cotto-kamegai fight as i was already wasted by the time i was watching it on saturday...what the hell is wrong with kamegai he is an insane person. this is brutal to watch. highly recommended in a sadistic way. these japanese guys are crazy. ...i have no interest in seeing him v canelo again and really don't want to see him get killed by golovkin. would really like to see him go to england for a big payday with brook or khan altho i doubt brook can really handle another tough fight without a tuneup or two after what he has been through

Kamegai only knows how to fight one way.

That why his fights against Soto Karass were so awesome to watch.

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