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Old 07-19-2010, 09:20 PM   #2426
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Re: SE Boxing Thread (still waiting for PBF v. Pac)

^^

Problem with above, Williams is not a top-rank signed fighter. Bob Arum likes to keep these things inhouse so he can make them $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$.

I can guarantee it will be Margarito. They will even go out of US to be able to hold it since the cheating scumbag can't even get a license.

But yeah. Williams vs Pacquiao would be a dream and i would give Pacquiao big props for taking such a fight.

Wont happen tho.
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Old 07-19-2010, 09:23 PM   #2427
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Re: SE Boxing Thread (still waiting for PBF v. Pac)

Just another chance for a dangerous opponent to catch lightning in a bottle and beat Pacquiao. Cotto was a massive bullet dodged for the superfight, it should've happened then. I don't care how long Margarito's been out of the limelight, he's a serious threat.

As soon as Pacquiao loses, everyone knows Mayweather will have zero interest in fighting him.

This is all so pathetic.
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Old 07-19-2010, 09:28 PM   #2428
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Just another chance for a dangerous opponent to catch lightning in a bottle and beat Pacquiao. Cotto was a massive bullet dodged for the superfight, it should've happened then. I don't care how long Margarito's been out of the limelight, he's a serious threat.

As soon as Pacquiao loses, everyone knows Mayweather will have zero interest in fighting him.

This is all so pathetic.
Not a serious threat the way he looked vs Mosley. Wideopen and no power in his punches at all (is that what happens when your not loading your gloves?).

More than anything it's a ****ing farce to even let Margarito the cheating scumbag anywhere near such a superfight. He is undeserving and pretty much everything he has done up until now is worth absolutely nothing.

Bob Arum sure shows us his true colors with how hes handling Margarito.

As a Pacquiao fan i would actually be outraged regarding the choices of opponents his management is setting up for him when there is a lot better fights out there.
I mean a rematch with Cotto? Really?
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Old 07-19-2010, 09:31 PM   #2429
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Re: SE Boxing Thread (still waiting for PBF v. Pac)

I think they could lowball Williams pretty easily. I mean, if I was Paul I would seriously fight him for 1 million dollars. All the exposure he would get from mainstream media, 24/7 etc. would be worth it alone. Then, add on the chance that he could win the fight.

Pacquiao, Cotto, Margarito, and Top Rank would all make significantly more money if they fought on one PPV in which Pacquiao fought Williams. Just depends how live of an opponent Roach/Pacquiao/TR perceive Williams to be vs Pacquiao.
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Old 07-19-2010, 09:36 PM   #2430
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I think they could lowball Williams pretty easily. I mean, if I was Paul I would seriously fight him for 1 million dollars. All the exposure he would get from mainstream media, 24/7 etc. would be worth it alone. Then, add on the chance that he could win the fight.

Pacquiao, Cotto, Margarito, and Top Rank would all make significantly more money if they fought on one PPV in which Pacquiao fought Williams. Just depends how live of an opponent Roach/Pacquiao/TR perceive Williams to be vs Pacquiao.
I think for Top-Rank and Pacquiao, it is crucial to match the ppv-numbers of Mosley vs Mayweather. Can they do this with any of these opponents? Margarito post-cotto pre-Mosley, yeah more than likely, but now?

I think Williams would take this fight for pretty much any offer at all. It's not even unreasonable he would do it for free (lol).

The problem is the bolded part. We both know the answer to this.
If Roach didn't want Pacquiao to fight Raheem, Mosley or even that bum Foreman, they won't go anywhere near PW.
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Old 07-19-2010, 10:00 PM   #2431
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Re: SE Boxing Thread (still waiting for PBF v. Pac)

If team Mayweather says there was never any negotiations, why did it take them this long to say so? The supposed negotiations has been in the news for weeks now.
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Old 07-19-2010, 10:17 PM   #2432
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If team Mayweather says there was never any negotiations, why did it take them this long to say so? The supposed negotiations has been in the news for weeks now.
Try months.. And they have.

http://www.examiner.com/x-21442-Figh...-Pacquiao-pg-3
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Old 07-20-2010, 09:48 AM   #2433
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Re: SE Boxing Thread (still waiting for PBF v. Pac)

Undefeated,

If they are telling the truth, then why did the CEO of Golden Boy say that he specifically isn't saying anything due to a gag order agreed by both parties on commenting about any negotiations? Further, why would De La Hoya say in early June that a deal was very close to making the fight happen?
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Old 07-20-2010, 10:00 AM   #2434
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I have never read that Schaeffer said he had a gag-order.
What De la Hoya has said (which later got retracted) is irrelevant since he has absolutely nothing to do with Mayweather. It is like Roach saying the fight is done and agreed upon like he did in May.

According to Bob Arum Golden boy promotions had no part in the alleged negotiation. He himself said he dealt with Greenburg at HBO who then passed on the "info" to Al Haymon, Mayweathers advisor.

Cliffs; Golden Boy had no part in the "negotiations".

Now, i'm not saying i necessarily believe Mayweathers camp. I'm just saying that it's another side of the story. And knowing how Bob Arum acts it wouldn't be beyond the realm of possibility.
Mayweathers camp has throughout the summer said there are no negotiations and Bob Arum has never even talked to anyone close to Mayweathers camp. That coupled with Ellerbes latest statement makes it weird at the least.

So who imposed this gag-order and who were affected by it? It didn't seem like Bob Arum were since he was all over the media talking about the negotiations in detail. The same can be said for the entire Pacquiao camp (Roach, Pacquiao, Ariza, Koncz)

The truth might be somewhere in the middle, i have no way of knowing. What i do know is that Bob Arum must have known there was absolutely 0% chance of the fight happening with regards to Roger Mayweathers legal situation.
I think this whole mess is just a PR plot to be perfectly honest. A big waste of the fans time.
Dannyocean_ said it best.

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And I'm not any kind of Arum supporter. this whole thing is basically a PR war at this point.

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Old 07-20-2010, 10:55 AM   #2435
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Re: SE Boxing Thread (still waiting for PBF v. Pac)

Fair enough. 3 sides to every story. His, hers, and the truth.
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Old 07-20-2010, 05:53 PM   #2436
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Re: SE Boxing Thread (still waiting for PBF v. Pac)

So how does everybody feel about the Pac/Margarito fight? It's obviously not the fight we want to see, but other then PW (which we know won't happen) I think Margarito poses the biggest threat.

Tim Bradley- Great, slick boxer. However, his chin is suspect (dropped twice by Holt) and has little power and has no size advantage. Pac is faster, stronger, and more experienced. I just don't think Bradley has much of a chance.

Berto- Is overrated in my opinion. He has great speed, quickness but isn't great at anything else. He has no defense. Good, but not great power. Almost lost to Collazo and was unspectacular against Quintana. I don't think he's ready yet.

Cotto- This will turn out the same way, just one year later.

Margarito- It depends on which Margarito we will see. If the Margarito that fought Shane shows up, he'll be slaughtered. If the Margarito that fought Cotto shows up, then this will be a great fight. A year and a half ago, he has the man at welterweight. He isn't fast and doesn't have one punch KO power, but at his best, he will keep coming forward with relentless pressure and has a great chin. He already has a huge size advantage and at Jr. Middleweight, it will show up even more. I don't know how he looked in his last fight though.
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Old 07-20-2010, 08:20 PM   #2437
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Re: SE Boxing Thread (still waiting for PBF v. Pac)

Margarito was way too overconfident regarding his chin. He was blocking punches with his face against Moseley.

Pacman should make quick work of him.
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Old 07-20-2010, 08:36 PM   #2438
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Re: SE Boxing Thread (still waiting for PBF v. Pac)

I hope Pacman kills the son of a *****. Margarito that is. I'm not even joking, dude deserves to become a vegetable.

Nothing sicker in boxing than cheating that way.
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Old 07-21-2010, 01:49 AM   #2439
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Re: SE Boxing Thread (still waiting for PBF v. Pac)

anyone watching briggs/green tonight?
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Old 07-21-2010, 03:26 AM   #2440
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PW turned down 3 mil to fight Martinez? Wow..

Looks like he's ducking to me.
Paul doesnt duck anyone. Hes waiting to see what happens with Void and Pac before signing his next fight. He wants to go back to 147, probably wont get a fight there but hes trying.
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Old 07-21-2010, 09:02 AM   #2441
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Re: SE Boxing Thread (still waiting for PBF v. Pac)

1st minute KO for green on Briggs. LOL under 9.5 and green. too easy $
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Old 07-21-2010, 01:56 PM   #2442
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0EdbKsVIAk4

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Old 07-22-2010, 02:13 AM   #2443
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Re: SE Boxing Thread (still waiting for PBF v. Pac)

^^^ ya wtf is right.

This whole deal with PBF and Pac has me feeling ill about this sport. Watching all the hype and this match not getting made truly is a blemish to what could have been one of the best matches in it's history. And I blame mostly Floyd.

And now seeing a match get made with Margarito making likely his biggest earn? It disgusts me. Anyone remember or know of Billy Collins? Luis Resto? Ugh.
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Old 07-22-2010, 02:26 AM   #2444
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Re: SE Boxing Thread (still waiting for PBF v. Pac)

further to the wtf with Briggs, just read this from a coach in the know regarding him:

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Old 07-22-2010, 03:00 AM   #2445
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Re: SE Boxing Thread (still waiting for PBF v. Pac)

yea margarito has lost all cred. in my opinion. If they let margarito use his custom wraps it would be close vs pac.

I would love to have the chance to take Paul Williams vs. Pac as the odds would probly have Williams a 2 to 1 dog plus, and I think in reality its a pickem fight if not edge to Paul

andre dirrell vs ward should be awesome

*I do hold a slight grudge against Pac because he cost me a parlay back in the day when he knocked down Juan Manuel Marquez like 3 times in the first round and got outboxed the rest of the way to a draw. Also when being accused of using steriods he responded "steroids?, I dont even know what steroids are". yea o.k. bud.

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Old 07-22-2010, 09:59 AM   #2446
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Re: SE Boxing Thread (still waiting for PBF v. Pac)

Richard Schaefer, CEO of goldenboy, backs team Mayweathers statement.
http://www.boxingscene.com/?m=show&id=29448

Not looking good for Arum right now. This is a freaking circus. Hopefully there is a no bull**** PR front the next time they "negotiate" this fight. This one was purely to better Pacquiaos public image.



When it comes to who i would like Pacquiao to fight except for Mayweather, the list goes something like this (from hot to cold)

1) Sergio Martinez at 154
2) Paul Williams at 147
3) Devon Alexander at 140
4) Tim Bradley at 140 or 147
5) Shane Mosley at 147 or 154
6) Andre Berto at 147
7) Antonio Margarito at 154
8) Miguel Cotto at 154
11111111) JM Marquez. This fight would probably be at 147, and i have absolutely no interest in that. At 135 i would like a third fight, but that would be impossible for Manny to cut to.

Going for a "OMG HISTORY IN THE MAKING" paperbelt at 154 vs two blown up ww that is nowhere close to the best 154 fighters (Martinez and Williams) makes it just ridiculous.
Rematch vs Cotto is just loltarded and a fight vs the cheating scumbag Margarito is shady as **** aswell. Hes a slowpoke with bad footwork, can't avoid punches and now without his handwrap deluxe, he has no power in his pawing punches either.
A complete missmatch.

Hopefully people won't buy into this ****. Pacquiao shouldn't be allowed to avoid the topguys any less than Mayweather should. And he gets a lot of **** for not fighting some of the fighters people perceive to be the topdogs.

If Williams can make 147, tell me one good reason he shouldn't be the one to get that fight? And if Pacquiao want a belt at 154, it should be vs a true champ, and not some worthless paper championship based on politics.

This is just pointless rant tho at this point. Top-rank has made it very clear Cotto and Margarito are the two only options. Bummer..

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Old 07-22-2010, 02:07 PM   #2447
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Re: SE Boxing Thread (still waiting for PBF v. Pac)

Wlad - Peter II rumoured for September on ESPN after Povetkin pulled out.
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Old 07-22-2010, 03:16 PM   #2448
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meh.. Schaefer didn't really add anything. If we want the truth then it has to come from Ross Greenburg, but he'll probably remain silent. It's just hard for me to believe that there were no negotiations of any sort.

As for PW, again, it all comes down to the money. High risk, low reward. I know it sucks, but that's how it is. Plus, PW is managed by Al Haymon.

I don't want to see PW go down to 147 anyways. I think he'd be too drained. PW vs. Martinez II should get made.
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Old 07-22-2010, 03:45 PM   #2449
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I just saw the Shane Moseley and Sergio Mora are going to fight in Sept. on PPV. WTF? Is that fight even going to generate 100,000 buys?
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Old 07-22-2010, 07:57 PM   #2450
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Re: SE Boxing Thread (still waiting for PBF v. Pac)

More importantly, it looks like Juanma Lopez will be fighting Rafa Marquez in Sept. I think Rafa wins.

Mosley and Mora who?
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