So I missed the fight because I was out in bum**** USA without Internet or cable or anything . I watched most of the fight on replay yesterday switching back and forth between commercials at royals game. I gotta say I saw a lot of close rounds . I watched probably 7 of first 9 rounds all the way through and this horn guy deserves some credit he had a lot of heart . Reminded me a lot of the Relikh kid who got arguably robbed by burns then lost to Rances Barthélemy in a close fight . Just kept coming forward no matter what despite having not much in the way of skill or technique and I respect that I thought he would be a joke for manny to run through .

I saw the compubox numbers . I don't think they are meaningless or anything but eh. Judges are human and I have noticed when I watch fights for me it's easy to sort of hone in on the guy coming forward and when you hone in like that I think your eyes naturally see the shots that guy lands easier than the ones the counter puncher does. Plus frankly mannys hands are still so fast at this age even that it can be difficult to tell when he lands . I don't generally give much credit to clinch shots at all and I thought the ref let horn wrestle way way too much but I am from the Howard lederman school of rewarding aggression. Most people would say well great but it is about clean shots and that's true but it's also hard to ignore that one guy is generally bullying the other . I never want to give credit for outperforming expectations but horn was the bully in there for sure .

Anyway I thought horn deserved the first two rounds and there were close rounds in the middle that I saw . Will need to watch the whole fight soon but I saw a lot of rounds that I could see the judges being naturally swayed by the crowd into giving horn . I actually have a hard time scoring manny fights in the past because a lot of times when he comes in on his shots he is so skilled that it is hard to tell if he got hit or if he just escaped the counter unlike people like Floyd where you can tell he surely didn't get hit . Much more interesting fight than I expected. I think this is a style thing horn has balls but put him in with one of the guys in the division who is actually his size and I expect he gets smashed . Fight of his life but I'm not really convinced he is any better than like Lamont Peterson .Anyway at this point I think manny might get Koed by Crawford whereas before I thought he had a real legit chance. Time for him to rematch horn then probably hang them up


A washed pacquiao khan fight would still be really fun for me though I would love to see that probably more than anyone else for manny to make a lot of money and have a chance at winning or going out with a KO while still being somewhat intriguing on the world level. I just read something on BLH right after posting this but horn seems like a worse version of porter even tho he is lankier and whatnot . Pretty sad to think that manny might be able to get mauled by a guy like porter at this point but I could see it happening

Do we know what Lennox's vice was?

Porter's style is so physical he beats Manny easier than other, better, fighters. It would basically be another version of this fight with Porter winning more rounds than Horn.

Avoiding Klitchkos?

Good writeup tigers. I think the main difference between Horn and Porter is that Porter is a constant raw bull and knows nothing else, whereas Horn is less powerful and suffocating and more of an in and out awkward fighter.

I agree that the Manny we saw last week would more likely than not lose to Porter.

I doubt Manny hangs them up anytime soon. The amount of sucklings on that tit is massive, they'll be bleeding him dry until he can no longer make millions. Luckily, I think Manny has more left than most think. I doubt he took Horn seriously. He'll start by rematching Horn and taking it more seriously and winning by wide decision or KO. Then people will feel he's a top 5 contender in the division again and he can either fight TC or bank some easy 8 figure paydays for fighting overwhelmed guys 2x a year. Probably the latter. I think at some point Arum will want to match him with TC, but unless TC starts building a larger following Manny's camp may say gtfo and take the easy money.

Just watched pac\horn replay.

Yeahhh. I'm giving it to Pacquiao. Probably 8 rounds to 4 actually. Maaaaybe 7-5.

Boxing just needs to figure out a way to literally remove judges from the sport at all and I can't think of how that's possible. The 10-9 scoring is dumb and them having to decide a round winner right away based on whatever subjective **** they decide instantaneously is another problem. Maybe fights get decided a week later, by 10 judges, who watch replays.

score title fights by number of knockdowns

if no knockdowns in 12 rounds, champion retains title

I would support more 10-10 rounds in theory because I know I watch a lot of fights where I think a round could easily go either way but honestly I think that would just turn into even more of a disaster and probably cause just as much controversy with judges starting to become lazy and calling too many 10-10 rounds Carl froch style

We at least need 10-8 and 10-7 rounds to be actually used. Otherwise it's essentially a 1-0 system. You shouldn't need a knockdown to 10-8 just that it's clearly your round no one would disagree who wasn't paid off. If you are dominated and knocked down 10-7 or even 10-6 if it's close to over. I have seen rounds you toss a coin 10-9 immediately followed by a close to stoppage round getting called 9-10 so many times it's ridiculous. Why is that fight even?

That's the exact issue. If you aren't giving Manny a 10-8 9th round against Horn, which I didnt, then it's dumb to score close rounds 10-9.

Sadly, it's the system we have now, and it sucks. I'm absolutely in favor of more 10-10s for rounds with no real damage as well as moving KDs to 10-7 and allow g more 10-8s based on very lopsided rounds.

i think thats a good idea. 10-10 not necessarily in rounds that were close but action packed and hard to score (like manny in horn-pac) but for some of the rounds like frampton-quigg where no one is landing anything

i didn't give 10-8 in round 9 either because horn seemed to be fighting back but he was certainly getting mauled and the counterpoint is "well that's great but that is basically the bare minimum for not having the fight stopped, not avoiding a 10-8 round"

If the rounds were scored 10-10 when there's no real damage all of Mayweather's fights would end in a 120-120 draw

France 115
Germany 114

Bills 115
NFC 114

Mike Perez has indeed been added to the CW tournament.

Callum Smith added to the SMW version and also the winner of Eubank Jnr Abraham will be added. Eubank Jnr vs Groves is a cracking fight.

wtf @ Mike Perez? Guy has one good fight at CW against some last-second replacement journeyman and he gets in over Glowacki and Kudryashov (a guy with a 100% KO rate)? GTFO.

He's promoted by Eddie Hearn.

Should be easy pickings for whoever fights him first.

Of course it doesn't matter since Usyk is going to dominate everybody.

These tournaments, which I know **** all about, sound like fun.

It's what promoters try to set up when a division lacks a marketable name.

i like usyk and think he is very skilled but i'm not really convinced he is the destroyer he was made out to be. in a weight class this big with a bunch of other top guys i could def see him losing. that's the great part of these tourneys it won't take long to find out

Seeds just been announced for the tournaments.

Hot Damn I'm jacked for those.

smith v brant will be lit

for as ****ty as the super middle weight division is this is about as good as they can do

SMW tournament doesn't have Gilberto Ramirez?

WTF?

That CW tournament looks fantastic. Shame that Glowacki got left out for a LHW moving up to CW for the first time.