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Old 03-20-2017, 05:26 AM   #23176
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Re: SE Boxing Thread (not waiting for PBF v. Pac II)

Golovkin says his next goal is to fight Billy Joe Saunders...
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Old 03-20-2017, 08:07 AM   #23177
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GGG would school Canelo like this:

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Old 03-20-2017, 10:06 AM   #23178
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Golovkin says his next goal is to fight Billy Joe Saunders...
No surprise. His mission from the start has been to unite all of the belts.

It doesn't necessarily that a rematch with Jacobs will never happen.
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Old 03-20-2017, 11:02 AM   #23179
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I usually like Lederman's scorecard - he had GGG 114-113. One thing I noticed, when asked who the best boxing judge is, he says its his daughter Julie. I think H. Lederman had Choclitito 114-112, and his daughter was one of the official judges for that fight & she had it 114-112 for the guy from Thailand.

I think the boxing judges should sit in the chairs like movie directors do sometimes when they want to be at the height to see just the right angle.

Also - to me it looked like Jacobs was just too big (looked like his high tech weight cut & then putting on like 15 lbs. worked) & fast for GGG to put on his usual big drama show of cutting off the ring & pounding his opponent into submission.

I wish they would change back to weighing the fighters before the fight and not the day before the fight, for MMA too.

I also noticed Jacobs saying he wasn't going to make any excuses about the decision & then without missing a beat made about 3 of them. One of them does happen in fights I've seen in the past.

If it is like a tune up fight for the big drawing boxer who has a big money PPV coming up and he does happen to lose on points to the guy nobody thought he would, the big draw wins on points sometimes when he clearly shouldn't have.
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Old 03-20-2017, 03:20 PM   #23180
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Golovkin says his next goal is to fight Billy Joe Saunders...
Sounds like this was agreed before the Jacobs fight. June in Kazakhstan, Saunders has pretty much confirmed it.
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Old 03-20-2017, 09:28 PM   #23181
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I also noticed Jacobs saying he wasn't going to make any excuses about the decision & then without missing a beat made about 3 of them. One of them does happen in fights I've seen in the past.

If it is like a tune up fight for the big drawing boxer who has a big money PPV coming up and he does happen to lose on points to the guy nobody thought he would, the big draw wins on points sometimes when he clearly shouldn't have.
Roman lost a decision in the fight just before this one to a guy that is way less known/promotable than Jacobs is compared to GGG.

I honestly think the crowd influences judges a lot more than promoters at the highest levels of boxing. You watch some fighters in their home stadium and there is cheering for every punch thrown from their guy, and crickets when the opponent lands.

I also think that judges don't get to take advantage of modern technology, they appear to be using the same tools as they did 50 years ago. Judges should get to see replay angles and possibly see punch stats.
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Old 03-20-2017, 09:30 PM   #23182
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Seems like Saunders has become lazy recently. The best version of Saunders we can expect is no better than any of his previous fights imo. Still, it's a live body, and potentially a top 5 Golovkin opponent. Golovkin could also be truly declining. 3 months though is a nice timeline, love that quick turnaround. I'd honestly be OK with Andy Lee on a 3 month turnaround and I don't think there's any reason for anyone to want to see Lee step in with GGG.
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Old 03-20-2017, 09:31 PM   #23183
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agree that the crowd plays a huge role


don't think punch stats will ever happen tho since it is just guys pushing buttons when they think something lands which isn't all that different than how i score the fights in my head to some degree
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Old 03-20-2017, 10:20 PM   #23184
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I don't think fight contracts work that way. You agree to fight at a certain weight and to do promotional stuff, that's really it. You agree to put up your belts, but I think the sanctioning fees are direct deals for each belt, not contracts with your opponent. Could be wrong, in any case, it didn't seem to surprise nor phase really anyone. HBO's team tried to make it a storyline, but literally nobody on GGG's side seemed the least bit surprised at this.
I don't think GGG cared, because he doesn't seem to care about much. Regardless, don't agree to fight for a belt, accept the conditions, and then flake out at the last second after your opponent has accepted them.

We see people lose belts on the scales sometimes, but there aren't a ton of examples of what Jacobs did. Fighters might refuse to pay sanctioning fees and as a result a belt will be off the table, but it's rarely this.

Jacobs shot an angle, he deserves shade.


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Canelo's footwork is very rudimentary compared to Jacobs. However, Canelo is a much better counter puncher. He's faster than Jacobs. He's not more powerful, but he should be able to tag GGG with more shots. GGG should also be able to stick Canelo more too. If it comes down to a battle of the chins, I'll take GGG vs anyone at MW. Honestly, I think going chin vs chin against Jacobs would've been a higher % win strategy compared to what GGG did last night. GGG's strategy wasn't very smart if he wasn't going to really up the punch output (at least the jab) throughout the fight.
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I think you're spot on. GGG wasn't banged up much at all vs Jacobs. Brook marked him up more and those were with weak shots. Jacobs hit him with a few good ones, but a lot more stuff was open handed. Last night was more about what GGG didn't (or couldn't) do vs Jacobs than what Jacobs did to GGG offensively. Jacobs fought a good defensive fight. GGG's offense was lacking, but he did fight good on defense given he was always pursuing. You can't really argue "he was just wide open and getting clipped all night" like some people tried to say after the Brook fight (the other coin is GGG couldn't just tag Jacobs at will like every other opponent, so you can calm the GGG die hards down too).
Canelo doesn't want to hide, he wants to trade hoping that his defense and couter punching are going to carry the day. GGG doesn't want to run, he wants to trap you in a corner and throw punches until you break and crumble.

To borrow from John Gruden, "I love to watch big men bang".
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Old 03-21-2017, 01:25 PM   #23185
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oscar said that after GGG's performance the odds of a canelo-ggg fight decreased lol

the balls on this guy


edit- wow at that left he took. what a chin
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Old 03-21-2017, 03:04 PM   #23186
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Nice gif RT. Jesus, Jacobs loaded up on that one and it was very clean. You see the first one was basically a slap, but that second one probably drops many guys at MW. GGG just nods and reengages lol.

When you have a chin like that, there's no excuse for not punching, just go full Roman Gonzalez on him if you don't feel like you can outbox Jacobs, he ain't gonna take it for too many rounds
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Old 03-22-2017, 12:03 PM   #23187
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Old 03-22-2017, 06:37 PM   #23188
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Bud to fight Felix Diaz May 20th.

Hoping he nearly done at 140 and can step up soon.
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Old 03-22-2017, 09:31 PM   #23189
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I really feel that GGG took his foot off the gas in the fight intentionally to let it go the distance. When a guy appears invincible, he simply doesn't get the action he deserves unless he's super good at marketing himself like Mayweather was (is?). He appeared vulnerable against both Brook and Jacobs. That should give other potential opponents confidence to come at him for fights.

I'm positive that he could have chosen to trade with Jacobs and came out the victor instead of trying to do what he did against Lemieux and outbox him.

As for the GIF, Jacobs's momentum was moving away from GGG which limited the power a bit. Regardless, it would have at least shaken every other MW but somehow GGG just ate it and came back for more. The only MWs I can think of that could do that regularly were Hagler and La Motta.
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Old 03-22-2017, 10:16 PM   #23190
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I really feel that GGG took his foot off the gas in the fight intentionally to let it go the distance. When a guy appears invincible, he simply doesn't get the action he deserves unless he's super good at marketing himself like Mayweather was (is?). He appeared vulnerable against both Brook and Jacobs. That should give other potential opponents confidence to come at him for fights.


That was my take in the Brooks fight, not so sure about this last one. As a huge GGG fan I hope you're right. My fear is that age and wear and tear might be catching up with him
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Roman lost a decision in the fight just before this one to a guy that is way less known/promotable than Jacobs is compared to GGG.

I honestly think the crowd influences judges a lot more than promoters at the highest levels of boxing. You watch some fighters in their home stadium and there is cheering for every punch thrown from their guy, and crickets when the opponent lands.

I also think that judges don't get to take advantage of modern technology, they appear to be using the same tools as they did 50 years ago. Judges should get to see replay angles and possibly see punch stats.
I agree with your points.

The guy from Thailand does have a style fans like though. He hits hard - keeps coming - hardly any defense. He reminds me a little of Pac-man when he 1st got to America & sorta looks like him.

And the HBO crew mentioned his big calves gave him an edge like Pacquiao. Of course, P-man only had the left at 1st.

Boxing still has so many problems. One being one fighter dodging another until he gets old.

One thing I like about MMA & the UFC - you are going to see the best fighters vs. each other in every weight class.
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Alvarez seems to think so, which is why he has been running scared from the fight like the dripping wet gash that he is.
I agree. LOL Boxing. He is waiting for GGG to get old....which he already is for peak boxing years.

Just think of the PPV #'s if that fight would have had Alvarez instead of Jacobs (not that Jacobs didn't fight well as the bigger man).
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Old 03-23-2017, 08:29 AM   #23193
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One thing I like about MMA & the UFC - you are going to see the best fighters vs. each other in every weight class.
Conor and Bisping say "what's up"
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Old 03-23-2017, 12:08 PM   #23194
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That was my take in the Brooks fight, not so sure about this last one. As a huge GGG fan I hope you're right. My fear is that age and wear and tear might be catching up with him
yeah i love GGG but i gotta be honest this jacobs fight has me a little shook. not to mention he ate some shots v brook too


i still think he beats canela but i'm not quite as sure as i was 3 months ago. it is going to be absolutely rage inducing if they don't fight this year but they do eventually and canela and oscar's strategy of waiting till GGG is old and shopworn actually works out for them
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Old 03-23-2017, 12:24 PM   #23195
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Boxing still has so many problems. One being one fighter dodging another until he gets old.

One thing I like about MMA & the UFC - you are going to see the best fighters vs. each other in every weight class.
It's way better in MMA/UFC/Kickboxing/Any major sport. Boxing is the only one where you can duck and dodge at will for years.

The advantages of the A-side in boxing are insane as well, forcing B-sides to move up in weight while you're cutting weight, easy to have a 15-25 lb advantage in most fights like Canelo has had in just about every fight he's been in.

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yeah i love GGG but i gotta be honest this jacobs fight has me a little shook. not to mention he ate some shots v brook too
i still think he beats canela but i'm not quite as sure as i was 3 months ago. it is going to be absolutely rage inducing if they don't fight this year but they do eventually and canela and oscar's strategy of waiting till GGG is old and shopworn actually works out for them
The "content to box" strategy is what has me a little worried. It's what Canelo did that lost him the Mayweather fight. Yes, GGG is a very good boxer, but he's not great, and he's not clearly the best boxer at 160lbs (Canelo for example is likely a better boxer, very quick hands, sharp punches in the pocket). If GGG were willing to go all out, Hagler style, then I think he stops all of these guys eventually, he has the chin and the energy in my eyes.

Brook fight was nothing, a guy used to punching at the top level 2 weight classes below should always be able to hit a pursuing fighter, especially on non wind up shots. That was nothing. Khan also totally outboxed Canelo for several rounds, and could do the same to GGG until he landed. Hell, Khan could probably hit Joshua with a few combinations before the first jab knocked him cold. That's just how it works with smaller, faster, skilled fighters.

Jacobs fight is worrisome though bc GGG's decision-making looked subpar to me for the first time ever. When he's in a little tougher the margin for error will be even less.

On Jacobs note, people are saying GGG should rematch him instantly bc it was a good fight and it's hypocritical of GGG not to. I think that's rubbish, Jacobs had been putting off a GGG fight for over a year. He finally is persuaded to fight him, comes close but doesn't win and GGG should auto rematch instead of trying to unify and/or take 5-10x the money vs Canelo? Please.

Also, Canelo is really the only holdout left. Everyone else who ducked has either retired (Martinez), lost (Quillin, Cotto) or taken a step back (Saunders).

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Old 03-23-2017, 12:39 PM   #23196
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btw tonight is the first golden boy card on espn. not anything that great but still boxing on a weeknight
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quigley looked really mediocre tonight. don't see him getting a world title anytime soon
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Old 03-24-2017, 12:47 AM   #23198
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I just watched it and felt the same as you. That wasn't even the best Tapia we've seen and Tapia isn't great, pushed Quigley in spots and I think he had him bothered a few times too. Oh well.

Hopkins sounded really off tonight too, was it just me?
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quigley looked really mediocre tonight. don't see him getting a world title anytime soon
He's young and inexperienced. They might have moved him too quickly because he still hasn't found himself in the ring. He constantly went from slugging to boxing and vice versa throughout. He seems to be more of a boxer than a pressure fighter because he made Glen look horrible in the last few rounds.

I'm surprised the judges scored it the way they did. I thought it was closer.
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Old 03-25-2017, 03:03 PM   #23200
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Froch and Nelson are clearly holding a worst suit competition to keep the build-up interesting.
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