You already mentioned why people don't give a lot of credit to Floyd for beating Zab Judah. He fought him after he already lost to Baldomir. If Floyd beat him when is was still undefeated, he'd get a lot more credit.

Marquez had no chance of beating Mayweather. He had no advantage whatsoever (speed, quickness, power, skill, etc.) over Mayweather. Also, he doesn't fight in a style that is conducive to beating Floyd. Marquez is a counter-puncher. In order to beat Floyd, you have to put constant pressure on him and not let him dictate the fight. Marquez doesn't do that. Furthermore, Marquez has only fought above 130 lbs. once before going up to welterweight. He was also 36 years old at the time of the fight.

Pac has improved a lot since his last fight with Marquez, and if they were to fight again now, I believe Pac would knock him out within 6 rounds.

Also, the fight with Oscar and Clottey had a weight limit of 147. The catch weight for the Cotto fight was 145, but I don't think Cotto had any trouble making that weight since in his fight with Clottey he weighed in at 146.

Good reading comprehension bro.

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You whole post makes it seem like Mayweather has fought at 147 his whole career, he began fighting at the same weight class Pacquiao did, he just moved up in weight quicker. Pac was 16 when he was fighting at 106 so was Mayweather only difference was Mayweather was still an amateur while Manny had already turned pro. Naturally Mayweather isn't much bigger than Manny.

People just dislike Mayweather so they look for every reason to discredit him while Pacquiao is very likeable so people overrate his unaccomplishments and look the other way on certain things like Oscar and Cotto fighting below there normal weight in order to fight Pacquiao and both "surprisingly" looked sluggish. Instead of pointing to the additional weight cut everybody just says "Manny was too fast for them." Why is it a big deal when guys step up a weight class to fight Mayweather but it's non issue when guys cut extra weight to fight Manny? It's much easier to weigh more for a fight then it is to cut extra weight, the reason is when guys move up in a weight class odds are they just cut less weight during training. It's not like these guys are putting on 7+ extra pounds, they are just losing 7 pounds less for the fight. It's just as much a disadvantage to lose 2 extra pounds then your used to when you are already dehydrating yourself to get down to 147. Granted Marquez may have had to actually put on weight but it was probably very little.

Also way too big of a deal is made for the extra weight Mayweater came into the fight as. There are 30-40 pound weight gaps in the HW division, and you're telling me 2 pounds makes all the difference? Maybe Mayweather thought he could make that weight and during training realized he would've had to nearly kill himself to lose those extra pounds and knew he would be too dehydrated and would've had no energy during the fight and would've put himself in a position to take a loss.

My bad about Cotto, he's just now about to fight his first fight at 154, I got mixed up.

It looks like Mayweather almost fights with his back to his opponent. When you're fighting someone who is constantly turning his back to you are you given some leeway by the referee if your punches stray to his back? They had a Ray Mancini fight on ESPN-Classic last night (I think his 18th pro fight - first one to air on ESPN) and I noticed Mancini landed a lot of body shots on his opponent's left side below the elbow and which strayed around to the back to the point of looking to me like kidney punches. Ray was never warned about it. The way Mayweather fights it looks like somebody stepping to the right could land in that area of Mayweather's body all night long. Could they get away with it?


PairTheBoard

PTB,

A TON depends on who you have as referee. Some would be much more lax, and some would be much more strict. Same thing with a ref that allows a lot of infighting as opposed to a ref who will break the fighters at the smallest sign of a clinch.

It took almost 2,000 posts, but we have our first Ray "Boom Boom" Mancini reference itt, SHIP IT IMFO

Williams vs. Cintron tonight. Thank you HBO!

=) Can't wait for Katsidis vs. Mitchell next week it has fight of the year written all over it. Katsidis

Also I played craps with Gary Shaw last weekend very nice guy. Much different then he acts on T.V., and he won me 13k one roll =)

Sweet!

Gary Shaw comes off like the sleaziest guy ever on TV. Anybody remember the EliteXC card where he basically sexually harassed Gina Carano in front of everyone?

seeing as this thread is not exclusively for the PBF v PAC fight (if it ever happens) id just like to congratulate local young Belfast boxer Ryan Burnett in winning the silver at the world youth championships, apparently he should have got the gold but he was fighting a homebased fighter in the final and the judges favoured him (heavily ive been told by his aunt).

this kid has qualified for the olympics and will have a great chance in London 2012.

Was it this?

I never knew Shaw's son was one of the top dogs at EliteXC. Watching interviews of him seems like a slick SOB, but he has no clue when it comes to MMA. He was playing with me also, and I just recognized him as the guy that is always going crazy around Tim Bradley.

Starting in a few minutes. Who does everyone have in this?

WOW!

what the heck was that?

my feed's in spanish (and a little garbled), what are they saying?

sounds like a no contest.

saying they gonna score the fight

Yeah it's over. Ref gave the signal that there is a fighter that cant continue. 3 rounds have been completed. In california you go to the scorecards.

hurry up with the replay.

Thats the most bizarre thing i have ever seen.

Apparently gonna score it too. (had cintron 3-0)

WTF? is cintron really that hurt. blehhh. fight was just picking up too.

Lampley stfu