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Old 05-04-2010, 07:30 PM   #1876
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Re: SE Boxing Thread (still waiting for PBF v. Pac)

No boxing expert thinks that Mosley is a bigger threat than Pac at this point in their careers. Only ****ing fools would say that.
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Old 05-04-2010, 07:32 PM   #1877
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Re: SE Boxing Thread (still waiting for PBF v. Pac)

"this is surely pacman that is greatest threat."

Why? Based on W Mosley was #1. Based on skill i would say its hard to argue Mayweather wasnt the best WW.

* misread this as pac being greatest ww. Yes Pacquiao is obviously Floyds biggest threat at 147 now if you exclude Paul Williams. Both fights are not likely atm tho.

"hatton was gifted victory v collazo, and imo he was a shadow of himself fighting only 7lbs heavier."
Your opinion i guess. I disagree and the W vs Collazo was fair.

"more about the money than the fighting then."
Ofcourse. Plus Oscar was a great name on the resume.

"champ or not he was no threat to Floyd and should not have even been allowed to share a ring with him."
So, despite winning the undisputed championship, you should not be allowed to fight the number 1 contender? :|

"btw i said after he was rocked and made a great recovery V Mosley this is the best ive seen from Floyd in quite some time, and he has my respect after this performance (hollow victory but what to hell)."
Hollow victory. Pff.
Mosley is still likely the 3rd best welterweight and i wouldnt mind seeing Pac vs Mosley if i cant get Pac vs May or Pac vs Williams.

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Old 05-04-2010, 07:41 PM   #1878
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Re: SE Boxing Thread (still waiting for PBF v. Pac)

ok.

on mosley all i heard from commentators after the fight was how his 15/18 month lay off had taken its toll, and i noticed that with my own eyes.

on hatton he fought once at 147 and was a poor shadow of himself, did you watch the fight, cos i did and he was pish, and anyone that knows anything about Hatton will tell you that 147 was beyond him, he was an animal at 140 but a pussycat at 147.

ok oscar was a great name on the resume but he was no threat to either pac or floyd.

on baldomir = handpicked to suit PBF style of fighting.
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However, common criticisms of Baldomir are his slowness, his slow, plodding advance, and a lack of agile lateral movement. Opponents with speed can often create problems for him if he is unable to fight his style of fight.
lol 12 loses baldomir all to a bunch of nobodys.

http://boxing.about.com/od/records/a/baldomir.htm

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Old 05-04-2010, 07:47 PM   #1879
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Re: SE Boxing Thread (still waiting for PBF v. Pac)

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ok.

on mosley all i heard from commentators after the fight was how his 15/18 month lay off had taken its toll.
It probably has a little. But we didnt know this beforehand. Shane was highly regarded and feared after his destruction of Margarito, the previous #1 ww.
I mean, Freddie Roach wouldnt even let Pacquiao fight him.

[quote]on hatton he fought once at 147 and was a poor shadow of himself (did you watch the fight, cos i did and he was pish).[/qoute]
Ofcourse i did.
Collazo is pretty much Hattons second biggest win. Ofcourse he isnt gonna dominate a toprated ww like Collazo.

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ok oscar was a great name on the resume but he was no threat to either pac or floyd.
The completely drained Oscar was no threat to either.
The 154 Dela Hoya had some moves and still won 4 rounds vs Floyd.

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on baldomir = handpicked to suit PBF style of fighting.
Come on. Floyd was gonna fight (and did) Zab Judah. He lost his status as lineal champ to Baldomir and Floyd were #1 contender. Easy as that.

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lol 12 loses baldomir all to a bunch of nobodys.

http://boxing.about.com/od/records/a/baldomir.htm
Floyd and Vernon is not nobodys.

As mentioned. Baldomir was not elite, but he was the lineal champ. Should Floyd have said no to the fight for the championship of the division?
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Old 05-04-2010, 07:50 PM   #1880
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Re: SE Boxing Thread (still waiting for PBF v. Pac)

what are you saying labamba?

that in any of those fighters i mentioned there was a serious threat to Floyd?

i dont see one, nor did i before he fought them.

go read something about Hatton and his very poor showing at 147, ok collazo was a decent name, but my point is that Hatton did not do himself justice with a wayyyyy below par performance at 147.

did you not read the story i posted where i said i met Billy Graham the night after (could have been the same night i was very very drunk) PBF whooped Hatton's ass?

i asked him 1 question which was why did you let him fight PBF at 147 his reply was that Ricky made up his mind and that was that, tho he Graham disagreed strongly and thought he should never have fought again at 147 V anybody.

an aside, i believe this is one the main reasons that they parted company not long after that fight.

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Old 05-04-2010, 07:52 PM   #1881
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Re: SE Boxing Thread (still waiting for PBF v. Pac)

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what are you saying labamba?

that in any of those fighters i mentioned there was a serious threat to Floyd?

i dont see one, nor did i before he fought them.
Floyd has been the favourite in every fight he has fought. That is to be expected if you are the best.
He would have been the favourite vs Pacquiao, Cotto or Margarito aswell.

Ofcourse there were serious threats in these fights. Everyone can get caught and lose. Everyone can be schooled.
The better Q is who should Floyd have fought?

* Also, Shane Mosley was a very serious threat beforehand.

If you are asking if these were favourable matchups for Floyd. Yes. Absolutely.

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did you not read the story i posted where i said i met Billy Graham the night after (could have been the same night i was very very drunk) PBF whooped Hatton's ass?

i asked him 1 question which was why did you let him fight PBF at 147 his reply was that Ricky made up his mind and that was that, tho he Graham disagreed strongly and thought he should never have fought again at 147 V anybody.

an aside, i believe this is one the main reasons that they parted company not long after that fight.
No i just found this thread. Didnt know there were boxing discussions outside of the sports-betting forum. I have not read it.

Not related to your question but as an aside, i dont think it matters what weight Hatton fights Mayweather at. It is a horrible matchup stylewise for him.

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Old 05-04-2010, 08:08 PM   #1882
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Re: SE Boxing Thread (still waiting for PBF v. Pac)

well hatton's style is high pressure and use his elbows a lot too, but the ref would not let him near floyd.

at 140 i give Hatton a chance and he probably wins 2/3 from 10 but at 147 he wins 0 from 10.


as for my story, you did not miss anything


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this ^^ is my main point about PBF.
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Old 05-04-2010, 08:10 PM   #1883
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Re: SE Boxing Thread (still waiting for PBF v. Pac)

I dont think you realise how easily Mayweather dealt with a severely overrated Ricky Hatton
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Old 05-04-2010, 08:11 PM   #1884
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well hatton's style is high pressure and use his elbows a lot too, but the ref would not let him near floyd.

at 140 i give Hatton a chance and he probably wins 2/3 from 10 but at 147 he wins 0 from 10.


as for my story, you did not miss anything
Im probably nitpicking too much. I basically agree with your original post except for you not giving Mosley enough credit.
I would also say Floyd has pretty much fought everyone he could have fought except for Margarito and seeing how Bob Arum is almost impossible for Floyd to deal with, that is probably not all on Floyd.
Paul Williams is an Al Haymon controlled fighter so that fight is far from easy to make.

Im actually a bigger Hatton fan than Mayweather fan so i was extremely mad at the ref during this fight.

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On another note. Roach said to a radioshow he think the Pac vs May fight gets made very soon.

http://www.790thezone.com/instantrep....aspx?PID=1345

Apparently Arum dealing with Mayweather and Pacquiao as we type.

Cliffs
- Bob Arum flying to filipines to offer a contract to Pacquiao on fighting Mayweather
- Will be 17 days cutoff on the usada testing
- Roach think Floyd is flatfooted and his legs are gone. Thats why he fought the way he did vs Mosley
- Fight probably in vegas
- "Around 40 million" guarantee for the fighters
- Probably October or november
- Roach wants to fight Roger Mayweather

Personally i wont believe anything until the papers are signed.
Team pacquiao has been allover with their comments during this circus.

Lets hope for the best.

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Old 05-04-2010, 08:13 PM   #1885
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Re: SE Boxing Thread (still waiting for PBF v. Pac)

PBF whooped Hatton's ass

i think i understand just fine how easily Floyd dealt with Hatton.
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Old 05-04-2010, 08:23 PM   #1886
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Re: SE Boxing Thread (still waiting for PBF v. Pac)

I'd honestly have a lot fewer qualms with Mayweather's resume if he didn't run make the absolutely ridiculous claim that he's the GOAT, which he's said numerous times, and not out of context or misquoted. It's a ****ing disgrace, really.

It's a very impressive resume. It's not a GOAT resume. Sorry Floyd. Rocky Marciano didn't duck anyone and retired as an undefeated 49-0 champ, but no one in their right mind would bring him into serious GOAT discussion; he just didn't have any real challenges available to him. Mayweather has the opportunity to test himself, so unless you accept those challenges, you're not allowed to call yourself the greatest.
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Old 05-04-2010, 08:29 PM   #1887
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Re: SE Boxing Thread (still waiting for PBF v. Pac)

^^

Floyd is nowhere near the greatest of all time. I wouldnt even put him in the top20 at the moment.
(and no Pac is not top10 atg as ive seen some people say, that is ridicoulus)

I think he is saying he is the GOAT because he needs to believe that.
Tommy Hearns and Ray Leonard said it is good for his confidence being like that and that they would have said the same but in a different way.
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Old 05-04-2010, 08:31 PM   #1888
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- Roach wants to fight Roger Mayweather

Lets hope for the best.
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Old 05-04-2010, 08:35 PM   #1889
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Re: SE Boxing Thread (still waiting for PBF v. Pac)

Mayweather was 80% to win the Mosley fight before it happened. He's around 55% to win the potential Manny/May fight, stop with the ****ing nonsense.

It doesn't matter what some ****ing ****** writes on his e-blog. Its like me posting an article saying I think Google is worth .47 cents. Awesome. Write me back when a market that has millions bet on it says Moseley is anything other than lols.
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Old 05-04-2010, 08:41 PM   #1890
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Re: SE Boxing Thread (still waiting for PBF v. Pac)

I know the odds for the fights Thremp. Do you think the Pac vs May line is accurate? Would you take Pac at these odds? I wouldnt.

Because you obviously cant assume the obvious, Mosley being Floyds biggest threat is ofcourse among the fighters he could have fought. We all know Pac vs Floyd is the most competitive fight post Pac cotto.

I dont know what ****** e-blog you are refering to, sorry.

Seeing as you are obviously THE boxing expert around these parts. Maybe you would like to share your thoughts on Pac vs May? Why is Pac posing a real threat (if you believe that)?

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Old 05-04-2010, 09:07 PM   #1891
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Seeing as you are obviously THE boxing expert around these parts. Maybe you would like to share your thoughts on Pac vs May? Why is Pac posing a real threat (if you believe that)?
Not trying to speak for or disrespect Thremp, but if you want the answer to this question, read this thread's OP.
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Old 05-04-2010, 09:07 PM   #1892
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Re: SE Boxing Thread (still waiting for PBF v. Pac)

Because people who have thousands of dollars to bet on the fight have no meaningfully altered it. Duh. ez game folks.

Seemingly for all your knowledge the free money that lays out there isn't worth taking.
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Old 05-04-2010, 09:11 PM   #1893
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Not trying to speak for or disrespect Thremp, but if you want the answer to this question, read this thread's OP.
Sure, but that isnt Thremps analysis?
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Old 05-04-2010, 09:16 PM   #1894
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Because people who have thousands of dollars to bet on the fight have no meaningfully altered it. Duh. ez game folks.

Seemingly for all your knowledge the free money that lays out there isn't worth taking.
I know what you are saying. Im not disputing that.

Do you (yes you) feel Mayweather is 55% to win this fight? No matter how the casual bettors are placing their money on this line.

fwiw all ive said is i favour Mayweather as more than 55% chance of winning this fight. I havnt said by how much.
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Old 05-04-2010, 09:18 PM   #1895
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pretty obvious why Pac poses a real threat, he has an engine that will not stop after 4/5/6 rounds, he can take a punch, and he can give it back too with bells on.

oh, maybe the fact that he is also in his prime might come into it aswell.

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Old 05-04-2010, 09:21 PM   #1896
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pretty obvious why Pac poses a real threat, he has an engine that will not stop after 4/5/6 rounds, he can take a punch, and he can give it back too with bells on.

oh, maybe the fact that he is also in his prime might come into it aswell.
All true and valid. I agree.
To me Mayweathers ability to adapt will pose great problems for Pac. We have seen before that Pacquiao doesnt really adapt that well during his fights.

We have also seen what a slower, less powerful counterpuncher was able to do with Pacquiao. Add to that possibly the greatest defence of our era and this could be a nightmare for Pacquiao.

The biggest thing Pacquiao got going on is his ability to almost match Floyds handspeed while also being a southpaw. This combo gave Floyd problems when he fought Judah.
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I know what you are saying. Im not disputing that.

Do you (yes you) feel Mayweather is 55% to win this fight? No matter how the casual bettors are placing their money on this line.

fwiw all ive said is i favour Mayweather as more than 55% chance of winning this fight. I havnt said by how much.
Yes, I have no outside information that would make my views superior to those people who have tens of thousands of dollars to wager on this event. If the odds change, so will my opinion of who will win. Why would I not use the best information available to create a probability estimate?
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Old 05-04-2010, 09:26 PM   #1898
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Yes, I have no outside information that would make my views superior to those people who have tens of thousands of dollars to wager on this event. If the odds change, so will my opinion of who will win. Why would I not use the best information available to create a probability estimate?
Logically sound response.

I am not a pro-sportsbettor and would have little success arguing with you on this.

Let me rephrase it. I am surprised at the odds and will likely stand to lose alot because i will (as a casual bettor) bet Floyd til atleast -200.

That is all.
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What do you guys think about Manny Pacquiaos most dedicated fans?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tAynr...layer_embedded
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What do you guys think about Manny Pacquiaos most dedicated fans?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tAynr...layer_embedded
this is the normal way Filipinos teach themselves proper English.

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