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Old 05-03-2010, 03:08 PM   #1826
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Shame that such a good OP was ruined by PED drivel later in the thread.
Don't be melodramatic SUB. Geddy's OP is one of the best in all of SE (More than worth a read to anyone just joining the thread now that somehow missed it) and when/if Pac/PBF happens, it's all we're going to be talking about. The thread didn't get derailed, the fight did, the thread just naturally followed.
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Old 05-03-2010, 03:10 PM   #1827
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A very highly respected poster on Sherdog made this post a few days BEFORE Mayweather fought Mosley:

"I've been a Floyd Mayweather fan since the early 2000s. But if he does not KO the near 40 year old, inactive, shadow of his former self Shane Mosley inside 6 rounds, I'll never watch any of his fights again.

I mean, Mosley was in his prime when he was Fighter of the year in 1998! Pacquiao was only a teenager then. Bill Clinton was still the President before another President served two terms. There was no eBay and Google yet when Mosley was still in his prime way back when Titanic was still the number one movie. 9/11 was still years away.

Mosley lost twice to Vernon Forest. He also lost twice to Winky Wright. And these losses occurred back when he was way younger than the 40 year old shell of his former self that he has now become. A empty shell that has been inactive for a year and a half!

I'll be shocked if Floyd didn't knockout Mosley in less than 6 rounds. I would also be very disappointed if this didn't happen. He has to at least beat him in a way that is superior in quality to how Mosley was beat by Winky and Vernon. There is absolutely no excuse for Floyd to just win by decision. In fact, a decision win would be equivalent to a loss given that Mosley was already beat by decision 4 times way back when he was still 5 times the fighter than he is today.

Prediction: Floyd by an easy 6th round annihilation. Anything less would be equivalent to a loss on Floyd's part."


I pretty much agree. Floyd's victory over Mosley means nothing.
Not to argue the post, because I agree 100%, but isn't this kind of obvious though?

I mean, KC said it best earlier, "He's 38!". Mosely looked old, and it wasn't Floyd that did it to him, he just looked gassed. Lampley was even talking about how, with the failure of the Pac-man fight to happen, PBF was in dire need of a fight that he could make look respectable, but that wasn't necessarily respectable.
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Old 05-03-2010, 03:16 PM   #1828
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Mayweather hasn't done **** until he's fought Pacman in my book..,.. but thats just me
Your book is pretty awful then

Shane Mosely
Juan Manuel Marquez
Ricky Hatton
Oscar De La Hoya
Zab Judah
Arturo Gatti
Jose Luis Castillo x2
Jesus Chavez
Diego Corrales (his best performance imo)
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Old 05-03-2010, 04:15 PM   #1829
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manny better pack it up and never fight mayweather b/c your insight is 100% true and not biased or skewed.
although manny is going to get killed it would be smart for him to collect that payday. i am not a mayweather fan per se. i was going for mosley in the fight. i just love boxing and i like manny and floyd because both are very very good fighters. i love to watch pac man fight but, i just dont see how he can beat mayweather. imo, the fact that mayweather is bigger and stronger tilts the scale heavily in his favor in the matchup.
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Old 05-03-2010, 04:18 PM   #1830
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Your book is pretty awful then

Shane Mosely
Juan Manuel Marquez
Ricky Hatton
Oscar De La Hoya
Zab Judah
Arturo Gatti
Jose Luis Castillo x2
Jesus Chavez
Diego Corrales (his best performance imo)

and...corrales was UNDEFEATED and floyd destroyed him. toyed with marquez. damn, near killed gatti, decapitated hatton, beat the sh*t out of judah and on and on and on.
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Old 05-03-2010, 04:19 PM   #1831
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although manny is going to get killed it would be smart for him to collect that payday. i am not a mayweather fan per se. i was going for mosley in the fight. i just love boxing and i like manny and floyd because both are very very good fighters. i love to watch pac man fight but, i just dont see how he can beat mayweather. imo, the fact that mayweather is bigger and stronger tilts the scale heavily in his favor in the matchup.
pacman's last 3/4 opponents have all been "bigger and stronger" men, looke what happened to them.
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Old 05-03-2010, 04:23 PM   #1832
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and...corrales was UNDEFEATED and floyd destroyed him. toyed with marquez. damn, near killed gatti, decapitated hatton, beat the sh*t out of judah and on and on and on.
he fought De La Hoya like a pussy though
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Old 05-03-2010, 04:27 PM   #1833
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and...corrales was UNDEFEATED and floyd destroyed him. toyed with marquez. damn, near killed gatti, decapitated hatton, beat the sh*t out of judah and on and on and on.
hatton also was undefeated.

i met his former trainer Billy Graham (he was more drunk than me) in a bar at the MGM the night (or early next morning, bit hazy cos i was ****faced) after this fight and i asked him why did they agree to fight PBF at welterweight where Hatton already proved in one fight that the weight was beyond him, Billy's response was that Ricky wanted to fight him no matter what weight class it was but he (Billy) did not want the fight unless it was at light-welter.


a side note on Hatton, he was a money grabbing bastard, and anyone looking to buy a ticket had to go ask his mum or dad and pay way over the odds all to make his parents an extra few quid, all this after he cried that his fans were not getting a fair share of the ticket allocation.

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Old 05-03-2010, 07:12 PM   #1834
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when/if Pac/PBF happens, all we're going to be talking about is how they are both juicing
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Old 05-03-2010, 07:26 PM   #1835
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I like the argument that Mayweather doesn't KO people to "avoid getting hit".
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Old 05-03-2010, 07:31 PM   #1836
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the fight may be close as in 'competitive' but, there is no way (outside of the lucky punch) that manny can overcome mayweather.
I should've stopped reading after this. At least you've made an attempt to back up your opinion.

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floyd has too many skills for him plus (a big plus) he is the bigger stronger man.
So was De La Hoya. And Cotto. Mayweather has one inch on Pac, I think you're overstating the size impact here by quite a bit.

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manny's d can be penetrated. he will have to put himself in harms way to get to mayweather and while that will make for an exciting/interesting fight, it will not bode well for him because i believe mayweather's punches will rattle him.

imo, mayweather does not get enough respect for how strong and powerful he punches, his punches hurt.
The lack of respect might have something to do with 5 of his last 6 fights going to decision and not even coming close to a KO. I'm not saying Floyd isn't a good puncher, but he's certainly not devastating at this point in his career, by any means.

And if Mayweather doesn't get enough respect for his punching power, then what kind of respect are you giving to Pacquiao's chin? His series of fights with the Mexicans before his jump to welterweight were absolute wars, and when Cotto tested him in the first 5 rounds of their fight, Pacquiao wasn't rattled at all. The man has shown he can take a good deal of punishment.

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if manny was stronger than or as strong as floyd then he may have a good chance to win but since he is not his aggressive style will play right into floyd's hands. And I hope well all can agree that trying to outbox mayweather is futile.

i just dont see anyway pac man can win. if they slug, mayweather gets the best of him with the faster, sharper, harderpunches and superior d and if they box mayweather picks him apart.
First of all, your assertion that Mayweather would be a favourite in a slugfest over Manny Pacquiao is just silly, come on. But that's not going to happen anyways, so there's no point talking about it. Mayweather didn't want to trade with Marquez for ****'s sake, why would he want to trade with Pacquiao?

You're making it sound like Mayweather is impregnable. The first two rounds on Saturday night clearly proved otherwise. Problem was, there was no way Mosley had the engine required to sustain that type of pressure. Pacquiao does.

I mean, Pacquiao threw over 1200 punches against Clottey and didn't burn himself out at all. That's just ridiculous. You don't think he wins at least a few rounds just based on punching volume alone? I'm almost positive he'll look like the more active fighter for almost the entire fight, which will resonate quite a bit with the judges; it always does and it was the only reason DLH-Mayweather was a split decision.

I personally don't think Pacquiao will be able to knock out Mayweather, or even knock him down, but he doesn't need to. You seem to think the only way he can win is by stoppage. I think you're wrong. If Mayweather decides he'll let Pacquiao throw high volume early and expect him to tire out later, it'll be a big mistake imo. Pacquiao will win his fair share of rounds in this fight, it won't be a Mayweather sweep.

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i just hope floyd does not beat him too bad so that there can be a rematch.
lol, this was cute.

This will be a great fight because no one knows what will happen. They're light years ahead of everyone else in boxing today and this matchup is much, much too even to call with any certainty.
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Old 05-03-2010, 09:09 PM   #1837
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You're making it sound like Mayweather is impregnable. The first two rounds on Saturday night clearly proved otherwise. Problem was, there was no way Mosley had the engine required to sustain that type of pressure. Pacquiao does.
That's what I thought seeing Mayweather's knee buckle after Mosley landed in the 2nd round. Pacquiao can keep that up through all 12 rounds. Manny will throw the left hook to the body followed by the right cross to the chin. But he won't stop there like Mosley did. He will duck under Mayweather's counters, shift to the left and from out of nowhere angle another left hook then another right - 4,5,6 punch combinations and more.

In all his fights Mayweather has enjoyed being the faster man. If Pacquiao proves faster - and I think he very well may - Mayweather will find himself in the position of being the slower man and very possibly without a solution to the problems this poses. Problems he's never had to solve before and a position he is totally unfamiliar with.

It should be noted that Pacquiao had great difficulty at lightweight dealing with the superb counter punching of Marquez. And Mayweather is an artist at counter punching. But the Marquez style was different than PBF's. Marquez's counterpunches were followed by a kind of counter rush into a counter offensive which bothered Pacquiao. I doubt Manny will be as bothered by Mayweather's counters with two punch flurries.


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Old 05-03-2010, 11:31 PM   #1838
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Geddy,

That post was nice. I enjoyed reading it, even if it was a paint-by-numbers response to a troll.
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Old 05-03-2010, 11:42 PM   #1839
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Your book is pretty awful then

Shane Mosely
Juan Manuel Marquez
Ricky Hatton
Oscar De La Hoya
Zab Judah
Arturo Gatti
Jose Luis Castillo x2
Jesus Chavez
Diego Corrales (his best performance imo)
Mosley - a good win, Floyd showed some heart but not a win over a prime HOFer

JMM - give me a break JMM was maxed out at 135, how exactly were his punches supposed to hurt Floyd

Hatton - his one fight above 140 he got a gift decision over Luis Collazo, at 147 hes an average fighter

Oscar - part time fighter past his prime

Zab - biggest frontrunner in the sport not to mention Floyd fought him right after Zab lost to Baldomir

Gatti - great warrior but a B or C class fighter

Castillo - Floyd got a gift the first fight, second fight was a good performance by Floyd

Chavez - good win, Floyds resume at 130 cant be questioned

Corrales - good win again at 130


Good resume but nothing like ATGs like SRL. Fight Pac and Paul Williams.
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Old 05-03-2010, 11:50 PM   #1840
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That's what I thought seeing Mayweather's knee buckle after Mosley landed in the 2nd round. Pacquiao can keep that up through all 12 rounds. Manny will throw the left hook to the body followed by the right cross to the chin. But he won't stop there like Mosley did.
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If we learned anything from the fight two nights ago, it's that Mosley is done and Mayweather can be hit, and hit hard. Pac has an engine that just never seems to run out of gas. This fight will be incredible.
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Old 05-03-2010, 11:55 PM   #1841
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Geddy,

That post was nice. I enjoyed reading it, even if it was a paint-by-numbers response to a troll.
ty ty, gotta keep the colouring inside the lines ldo
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Old 05-03-2010, 11:59 PM   #1842
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Also, I feel like I should note that even though I'm pretty open about my dislike for Mayweather, his performance on Saturday was pretty ****ing special. Past his prime or not, Mosley was still the consensus #3 P4P fighter coming into the fight. It was a boring fight from an average fan's perspective, but it was a Mayweather masterpiece none the less.

I was a bit reluctant to say it before because of obvious recency bias and the vaunted history of the sport, but I really think a Pacquiao-Mayweather fight has the opportunity to become the greatest, most important and most significant fight in boxing history.
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Old 05-04-2010, 12:20 AM   #1843
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hopefully the fight will be close and we'll get one or two rematches after that.

12 rounds wouldnt be enough
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Old 05-04-2010, 12:33 AM   #1844
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If this fight does happen, and Mayweather loses, I'm 99.9% sure there'll be a rematch.

If Mayweather wins, I fully expect him to retire.
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he'll retire and definitely proclaim himself by far the best of all-time. heh
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Old 05-04-2010, 12:44 AM   #1846
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Anybody else get POd when someone claims Pacquaio refuses to take a blood test?
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Old 05-04-2010, 01:44 AM   #1847
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Kevin Lole of Yahoo sports is reporting that the early PPV buy estimate is 1.1-1.2 million buys. One million is a lot, but not nearly what most people expected. I, for one, thought this fight would easily get 1.5+ million.

If true, this is good for Pac because I don't think Mayweather asking for more than a 50-50 split can be justified. Especially considering Pac's last fight had 700,000 buys with virtually an unknown opponent. I do not believe Mayweather could have done 700,000+ with Clottey.
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Old 05-04-2010, 03:37 AM   #1848
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I like Mayweather more than most but it's pretty impossible not to love Manny. The biggest difference between him and Mosely is that Pac has shown that he's pretty much able to attack non-stop. The dude is a machine. Mosely correctly went for broke and then gassed out. Paq can probably do that all fight long. After watching their last two fights, I now think Paq is a close favorite. Can't count out Floyd though. He knows how to ****ing win. One of the things I took out of the Mosely fight is that Floyd is still lighting fast. I was worried he'd maybe lost some speed. Given that I gave up on boxing but watched Paq/Clottey and Floyd/Mosely, this fight is really boxings last hope short of another Tyson type HW.

Also, just read the OP again and it's just so damn awesome. Gotta be a top ten post in SE history.
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Old 05-04-2010, 09:32 AM   #1849
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Geddy,

That post was nice. I enjoyed reading it, even if it was a paint-by-numbers response to a troll.
troll ?? i have been posting in this thread even before it was created.
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If this fight does happen, and Mayweather loses, I'm 99.9% sure there'll be a rematch.

If Mayweather wins, I fully expect him to retire.

i expect mayweather to be like "i beat his azz once for $50+ million, lets do it again for $50+million."
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