Here's hoping that you're right about that!

If it does happen, who you got? And who do you want to win?

Also, do you think anyone in the weight-range of Golovkin beats him? Maybe, Andre Ward (whom I'm also dislike and think is a moron and a dirty fighter); but I don't know if even he could pull it off. Golovkin is relentless and he just does not seem to want to stop punching and coming after his opponent to take him out. They should consider changing his nickname to 'The Terminator'. I've also read people claim that Froch might beat GGG, but I don't think that would be the case. Even though, Froch is the bigger guy, I think Golovkin would put a beating on him that he would not be able to fight through. However, Golovkin-Froch is certainly a fight I'd like to see. Not only would it likely be an exciting fight, Froch is another fighter I've come to dislike and I would like to see him get beaten up on by Triple G!

It's pretty BS. They didn't declare the injury bc they didn't want anyone to know about it. They didn't even declare it to the drug testing org (they just requested pain killers and were approved).

It's definitely not the commission's fault.

Arum, who is a clear Manny homer, even said it was "reinjured" in the 3rd round.

I think most likely thing is that he hurt his shoulder in sparring, but nowhere near bad enough to postpone the fight (not to mention risk the money).

It was fine prefight (Roach said it was doing great in the locker room, "f-ing beautiful" is how he described his right hook in the locker room iirc), but maybe it was additionally hurt after a few rounds.

What we saw in those few rounds pre alleged hurt was that Mayweather was clearly winning and Manny wasn't posing any real threat (mainly, not throwing enough volume to win most rounds).

It's the biggest non story ever, likely fueled by lucrative rematch potential, not to mention Manny's future earnings potential. Top Rank, Manny, Kontz, Kellerman (HBO), they all have a huge incentive to excuse this loss as best they can and to keep Manny earning as much as he can in the future.

The best quotes and most telling about this issue came right after the fight, when those involved (Arum, Roach in particular) didn't have as much time to create the most advantageous storyline. That's when you see the most truths.

There's a lot of damage control now from all the parties that have an interest in Manny, and that's what shapes Kellerman's arguments above.

Damn, thwarted again on a long shot (had Herrera over Garcia, that was worth a lot more though).

They keep saying this (especially on HBO), but any sane boxing fan would've predicted 60-75% chance Floyd wins that fight and 90% of the time he wins it's by a decision. Manny hasn't knocked anyone out in many years too, why would this older, less powerful, fighting at higher weight version of himself be expected to KO the best defensive fighter he's ever faced?

Agreed, except for the Floyd exception (Floyd Cotto rematch is prolly a top 4 likely fight for Floyd, worth a ton of money and Cotto is not with Arum anymore).

Maybe Ward at 168. Probably 2-3 guys at 175 (Kovalev, maybe Bieterbov and Stevenson), bc 175 is pretty heavy for GGG right now.

Nobody at 154 except possibly Floyd. Canelo prolly has the best shot of beating him at 154-160 otherwise and I don't think he has a great shot.

Molina went 8 with Raphael Zumbano Love in his last fight. This is what Joshua did to him last night: https://vine.co/v/em1vKWQH1ae

Joshua is going to knock him out within 4 rounds. Johnson was outboxed by Tyson Fury and Chisora (lol)

I think canelo wins but i'm a big cotto fanboy and am rooting for him (despite his primadonna tendencies lately...which probalby ruined the matchup v canelo that was supposed to happen in may in the first place from what i read). I do think it will be a competitive fight though. If cotto is more of a dog than like +250 I would be a pretty surprised. I think he definitely has a chance but i'm biased. I think it is a fantastic fight to make. If may-pac didn't happen then i would have loved to see it on cinco de mayo weekend. i called that about 18 months ago but was wrong apparently. anyway i don't think cotto is shot or anything like that. i do expect geale to give him trouble though really. geale is solid if not spectacular but he is def a game fighter. i actually really like this fight as a tuneup to see where cotto really stands. lots of people thought sergio would kill him but then that fight went completely opposite. obv sergio showed up in horrible shape physically with his knee so hard to say if cotto looking good was a fluke or not. the narrative that roach has gave him a career renaissance is tough to buy at his age but i'm hoping there is a semblance of truth to it!

i personally don't think Froch wants any part of GGG but would love to see that fight. I think GGG wins. We still need to see him v an actual world class fighter like Froch but I think GGG beats him in an exciting fight. I would pay ppv money for that honestly.

also chicago- not sure if you meant to quote something else but i don't really understand your comments on my comment about the fights yesterday having more action in a round than may-pac. agreed that may-pac went about as expected really. if you are saying that the most likely outcome pre-fight was a boring floyd decision then I agree with that. think i said that itt

also speaking of may-pac i rewatched it and was obviously wasted at hooters watching it live because it wasn't near as close as i remembered it heh. regardless, the fight mostly sucked. honestly made me appreciate may-maidana 1 so much more when i rewatched it. still can't believe maidana gave floyd so much trouble. i love that guy. might rewatch maidana-khan right or maidana-ortiz right now! dude is mfin warrior. still "only" 31 and has some great fights left i think.

I think Geale will give Cotto some major problems and i definitely think Canelo beats Cotto if they fight. Unfortunately.

the thing with canelo for me is that he is still only 24 and not even really in his prime yet. with the great fights he is taking and the competition he is facing he should be getting better every fight. a marquee win over a big name like cotto would be great and i certainly think he would be favored but like i said i really don't think he should be anymore than about 3-1. maybe i'm wrong on that.

i love how they are handling his career really. i would be rooting for cotto but you have to love a guy like canelo who fights real competition. the fact that he fought trout and lara- 2 boxers with real skill but not much name recognition is fantastic. i personally thought lara beat him though

Canelo/Cotto would definitely be a great fight. Canelo's youth, size, and punching power would make him the likely victor but Cotto is very game.

Yea I like Canelo's career a lot too. He built up a huge record knocking out relative nobodies in a very short time period (though he did face a younger Vasquez!), built a huge mexican fan base then upped his competition (and game).

Lara fight was balls to take, it was really close too. Trout fight made him a lot better too. Floyd fight he had to take, so much money, and he wasn't going to be able to make weight for a Floyd fight for much longer. His strategy on that one was pretty bad (trying to box Floyd), but as we saw the other weekend, nobody really uses a good strategy vs Floyd.

He'll be a 160lb fighter for quite awhile soon.

Of course Canelo was devastating against Kirkland. But Kirkland had his moments where he gave Canelo some trouble and was dangerous. What impressed me about Canelo was how cool, calm, and relaxed he was through it all. Allways collected and in control.


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Ward would be the favorite for sure. But can you point me to examples of Ward being a moron and dirty fighter? I didn't know that about him.

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cool story bro

His last fight was pretty rough. He along with Edwin Rodriguez lost two points each in the fourth due to unsportsmanlike conduct. IMO, Rodriguez was really the dirty fighter with his constant holding and Ward's response was out of frustration. Rodriguez accidentally hit the ref with a left hook while he was trying to break the fighters. Might have been DQed if he had any punching power.

Ward is definitely creative when it comes to following the rules . Same with a lot of great fighters like Bernard Hopkins or Floyd Mayweather.

Not sure why anyone would call him a moron though.

And he is definitely a favorite over Golovkin.

As good as Ward is, the biggest reason why he is a favorite is because GGG would have to come up to fight a bigger man, negating some of his power advantage.

Since Ward is a big SMW (168) and can probably fight very comfortable at LHW (175), and GGG is a small MW (160), it probably means GGG has to fight at 168 to make that fight happen someday, giving Ward a likely meaningful advantage.

Top 15 MOST SHOCKING BOXING MOMENTS



Don't know if this has been posted before but thought it was pretty good.


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EDIT: Really should be biggest upsets imo

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Prediction for #1: Tyson bites Holyfield

I think Fan Man was more shocking though.

RIP Corrie Sanders - one of the biggest upsets I remember seeing. Apparently he was killed in an armed robbery in South Africa in 2012.

b-hop vs oscar was a shocking moment?

I think it's a pretty bad list. I mean wouldn't Tyson tearing off a piece of Holyfield's ear be a shocking moment in boxing? Or Fan Man? Why not Corrales/Castillo?

So Broner vs Porter, that should be worth tuning into. Can't wait to see the odds on that one.

I think Porter is conservatively worth +200 or better there. Broner doesn't throw enough and isn't dangerous enough when facing higher caliber guys.

Paulie hurt in training so his fight scrapped for Javier fortuna v Bryan Vasquez


Better fight anyway I'm stoked as someone who still believes in Fortuna as a legitimate prospect

I don't know those guys, but going 60+ - 1 in professional boxing between the two of them is pretty impressive. Can't imagine it not being better than Paulie vs paper gloves.