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Old 05-02-2010, 10:02 PM   #1801
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The bold is the part I really have a problem with wrt Paq fans. While I think it's lame that Floyd is making such a demand, I think it's equally lame that Paq won't just accept it and move on. It's really not a big deal at all and I don't give a **** about how superstitious he is. It's irrational. He's giving Floyd an out. Whether Floyd truly wants that out or not is up to debate (he probably does). Floyd is a master at head games and certaintly at the very least trying to just get under Manny's skin.
Of course it's irrational, we all know it, but that's not really important. The test, in the case of a 10 day difference, is basically useless so there's really no reason for PBF to request it.

It's akin to you and I agreeing to play HU 4 Rollz, but because I know you're scared of heights, I demand we play the game at the top of the Empire State Building. Nothing is gained by my demand except putting you off your game.

PBF deserves credit for his Ali-lite gamesmanship, but Pac didn't take the bait on this one. Move on and fight.

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I don't think ANYONE really thinks Manny is taking PEDs and that's why he won't agree to the testing. It's not like the testing could find any of the **** anyway. It's Manny's irrational refusal to just take the silly test that annoys me.
Oh I agree, just get stuck with the needle, maybe beat Floyd, then laugh at him for trying to psych you out. Or lose and be only the 2nd best of two incredible talents. Whatever, just find a way to let your gloves to the talking.
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Old 05-02-2010, 10:21 PM   #1802
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Re: SE Boxing Thread (still waiting for PBF v. Pac)

Cyclists blood dope to get bigger legs? Baseball players take roids to get bigger?

Are you out of your ****ing mind?

This is like refuting the jabberwocky. You can't because it doesn't make any ****ing sense.
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Old 05-02-2010, 10:46 PM   #1803
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It's akin to you and I agreeing to play HU 4 Rollz, but because I know you're scared of heights, I demand we play the game at the top of the Empire State Building. Nothing is gained by my demand except putting you off your game.
I think Floyd's stupid for demanding stricter testing and I think Manny's stupid for letting it get in the way of the fight, but neither of those things are as stupid as this analogy.
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Old 05-02-2010, 10:49 PM   #1804
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I think Floyd's stupid for demanding stricter testing and I think Manny's stupid for letting it get in the way of the fight, but neither of those things are as stupid as this analogy.
Why's that? It's apt when you consider that most people seem to agree that there's nothing to be gained by testing 10 days later in that it won't find anything extra. Given that, it seems like it's just a request meant to psych Pac out. That's exactly that same as the analogy.

Edit: Wait, just saw who posted that, makes sense now. Mikey, don't be an idiot. Alternatively, step your game up if you want to troll like GREER.
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Old 05-02-2010, 11:52 PM   #1805
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Re: SE Boxing Thread (still waiting for PBF v. Pac)

My bud and I were pretty drunk when we bought the Mosley Mayweather fight last night. We paid $54.99, it seemed kind of high. Was this the HD price or regular
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Old 05-03-2010, 12:01 AM   #1806
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That was the regular price. afaik, HD was $64.99

Can we please drop the steroid chat and the pointless "you're ****ing clueless" trolling? It's ruining a good thread.
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Old 05-03-2010, 02:18 AM   #1807
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Can we please drop the steroid chat and the pointless "you're ****ing clueless" trolling? It's all we'll be hearing about until Manny and PBF fight.
We can talk about whatever, but we all know this is going to be prominently related to the story we all want to talk about.
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Old 05-03-2010, 02:26 AM   #1808
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It won't be tarnished as much as it will be if he loses to Manny. Floyd could retire today and still be considered arguably the greatest of all-time. If he loses to Manny then most people will put Manny>Floyd.
Untouchable, you're smarter than this aren't you?

Floyd isn't even REMOTELY close to the GOAT.
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Old 05-03-2010, 02:36 AM   #1809
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Also, you slow ponies are slow. Boxing is full of slow old geezers obviously. This has been in the EDF MMA thread for hours.

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I AM WILLING TO TAKE BLOOD TESTS, JUST NOT THE DAY OF THE FIGHT.

I am willing to help the sport for the future of the sport. I do not want to see anyone cheat or cheat this sport. For that reason I am willing to consider taking blood as close as 14 days prior to the fight, as long as, my opponent does the same, and it is not a lot of blood, just enough to test.
I do not want anyone having an unfair advantage where someone may get hurt. I am willing to do my part to help this sport out.

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Old 05-03-2010, 03:19 AM   #1810
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Dear God, please let this be true. Please let this fight happen. Please let Manny shut Floyd up. Please.

PLEASE LET MY OP LIVE
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Old 05-03-2010, 03:21 AM   #1811
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Geddy if this fight does happen your OP will certainly be remembered.
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Old 05-03-2010, 03:29 AM   #1812
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The small Philippines flag beside Manny's name is gone now. I need a greenman to put one back in there IMFO.
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Old 05-03-2010, 03:48 AM   #1813
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Is that for real??? Holy **** if so.

What are the odds that, as discussed on the last few pages, the "breakdown" in talks was really just to build up to this?
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Old 05-03-2010, 07:31 AM   #1814
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My bud and I were pretty drunk when we bought the Mosley Mayweather fight last night. We paid $54.99, it seemed kind of high. Was this the HD price or regular
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That was the regular price. afaik, HD was $64.99

Can we please drop the steroid chat and the pointless "you're ****ing clueless" trolling? It's ruining a good thread.
I have Comcast in MA and the HD was $59.99.
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Old 05-03-2010, 10:25 AM   #1815
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http://www.boxingscene.com/?m=show&id=27461

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Pound-for-pound king and “Fighter of the Decade” Manny Pacquiao has vehemently denied a report filed by a certain Timothy James on one of the Pacquiao websites claiming that he had agreed to Floyd Mayweather Jr’s demand for a 14 day cut-off for random blood tests for a fight to push through.

BoxingScene.com contacted Pacquiao’s adviser Michael Koncz about the report and asked him to double-check with Pacquiao.

Koncz got back to us a short while after he spoke to Pacquiao at his residence and said Pacquiao categorically stated "he never spoke to any reporter and never heard of the guy” who filed the story, even as he maintained that he had no official website although there are people who claim that they handle his "official site" [mpboxing.com].

Koncz quoted Pacquiao as saying he “never talked to anybody about boxing and his main concern is campaigning and winning the election on May 10. (Floyd) Mayweather is not even in our minds or in our thoughts."

However, Koncz quoted Pacquiao as saying "we’ll fight Mayweather or any other fighter anytime, any place under the rules and regulations of the Commission of the state where the fight takes place.”

The story alleged that the reporter spoke to Pacquiao in his home in General Santos City and that he had made an official statement for his website at 2:30 a.m. on May 3.
The statement quoted Pacquiao as saying “I am willing to help the sport for the future of the sport. I do not want to see anyone cheat or cheat this sport. For that reason I am willing to consider taking blood as close as 14 days prior to the fight, as long as, my opponent does the same, and it is not a lot of blood, just enough to test. I do not want anyone having an unfair advantage where someone may get hurt. I am willing to do my part to help this sport out.”

Manny Pacquiao was also alleged to have stated that he is willing to take blood immediately after the fight in his locker room "No problem." Manny just does not want to take blood right before the fight, as he feels that may hurt the fighter, if not physically, maybe mentally.
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Old 05-03-2010, 10:29 AM   #1816
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Don't know if this has been posted, but it won't hurt to mention again if so. $30 dollar mail in rebate on PPV from Tecate with purchase of 12 pack. In some states, including my own, no purchase is required. Not sure when I get the 30 bucks back whether it will ease the pain or just remind me of the worst performance in recent memory. Gotta give Pretty Boy props obv, but Shane, let your hands go! <flashbacks of Forrest 2, ugh>

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Old 05-03-2010, 12:28 PM   #1817
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will you be willing to give me a trillion to one odds? no way pacman will win, obviously free money for you. you are way overrating how good mayweather is. he hasn't really fought anyone that great near their prime. the fight should be close between packman and mayweather if it's near their respective primes.
the fight may be close as in 'competitive' but, there is no way (outside of the lucky punch) that manny can overcome mayweather. floyd has too many skills for him plus (a big plus) he is the bigger stronger man. manny's d can be penetrated. he will have to put himself in harms way to get to mayweather and while that will make for an exciting/interesting fight, it will not bode well for him because i believe mayweather's punches will rattle him.

imo, mayweather does not get enough respect for how strong and powerful he punches, his punches hurt.

if manny was stronger than or as strong as floyd then he may have a good chance to win but since he is not his aggressive style will play right into floyd's hands. And I hope well all can agree that trying to outbox mayweather is futile.

i just dont see anyway pac man can win. if they slug, mayweather gets the best of him with the faster, sharper, harderpunches and superior d and if they box mayweather picks him apart.

i just hope floyd does not beat him too bad so that there can be a rematch.
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Old 05-03-2010, 12:50 PM   #1818
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I reluctantly bought the Mayweather-Mosley ppv fearing Mosely was way past his prime and would show his age, making the fight noncompetitive. There was some talk that Mayweather took the fight for exactly this reason. Little risk to Floyd while it could still be hyped because of Mosley's showing against Margarito. However, when I watched the Mosley-Margarito fight Mosley just looked so good - fast, powerful, and full of energy. He didn't look old at all. So I bought the fight. Unfortunately, Mosley looks much better against a guy who stands right in front of him saying, "hit me all you want...you can't hurt me", like Margarito.

It looks like Margarito was ripe to be beat by Mosley in their fight. Even the best chin in the world will eventually wear down over a series of fights if it takes enough big shots. And Margarito had taken huge numbers of huge shots in fights previous to Mosley. When Mosley tagged him early it affected Margarito this time. He couldn't mount his usual pressure. Plus he didn't have his usual plaster wraps - a magnification of his power not to be underestimated.

As good as Mosley looked against Margarito, he was fighting someone perfectly suited to make him look good and ripe to be beat by him. Plus it was 15 months ago. 15 months at Mosley's age does some considerable aging. It looks like Mosley was also ripe to be beat easily by Mayweather. I suspected these things before the fight. Of course they look a little more clear with hindsight.


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Old 05-03-2010, 01:19 PM   #1819
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the fight may be close as in 'competitive' but, there is no way (outside of the lucky punch) that manny can overcome mayweather. floyd has too many skills for him plus (a big plus) he is the bigger stronger man. manny's d can be penetrated. he will have to put himself in harms way to get to mayweather and while that will make for an exciting/interesting fight, it will not bode well for him because i believe mayweather's punches will rattle him.

imo, mayweather does not get enough respect for how strong and powerful he punches, his punches hurt.

if manny was stronger than or as strong as floyd then he may have a good chance to win but since he is not his aggressive style will play right into floyd's hands. And I hope well all can agree that trying to outbox mayweather is futile.

i just dont see anyway pac man can win. if they slug, mayweather gets the best of him with the faster, sharper, harderpunches and superior d and if they box mayweather picks him apart.

i just hope floyd does not beat him too bad so that there can be a rematch.
manny better pack it up and never fight mayweather b/c your insight is 100% true and not biased or skewed.
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Old 05-03-2010, 01:21 PM   #1820
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PEDs can't increase your stamina. That's pretty ******ed. cpitt. They help you recover so you can train much harder and increase your stamina that way.
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Old 05-03-2010, 01:44 PM   #1821
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Shame that such a good OP was ruined by PED drivel later in the thread.
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Old 05-03-2010, 02:14 PM   #1822
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A very highly respected poster on Sherdog made this post a few days BEFORE Mayweather fought Mosley:

"I've been a Floyd Mayweather fan since the early 2000s. But if he does not KO the near 40 year old, inactive, shadow of his former self Shane Mosley inside 6 rounds, I'll never watch any of his fights again.

I mean, Mosley was in his prime when he was Fighter of the year in 1998! Pacquiao was only a teenager then. Bill Clinton was still the President before another President served two terms. There was no eBay and Google yet when Mosley was still in his prime way back when Titanic was still the number one movie. 9/11 was still years away.

Mosley lost twice to Vernon Forest. He also lost twice to Winky Wright. And these losses occurred back when he was way younger than the 40 year old shell of his former self that he has now become. A empty shell that has been inactive for a year and a half!

I'll be shocked if Floyd didn't knockout Mosley in less than 6 rounds. I would also be very disappointed if this didn't happen. He has to at least beat him in a way that is superior in quality to how Mosley was beat by Winky and Vernon. There is absolutely no excuse for Floyd to just win by decision. In fact, a decision win would be equivalent to a loss given that Mosley was already beat by decision 4 times way back when he was still 5 times the fighter than he is today.

Prediction: Floyd by an easy 6th round annihilation. Anything less would be equivalent to a loss on Floyd's part."


I pretty much agree. Floyd's victory over Mosley means nothing.
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Old 05-03-2010, 02:54 PM   #1823
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Mayweather hasn't done **** until he's fought Pacman in my book..,.. but thats just me

edit: Pac should just take any kind of test mayweather asks just so he can beat his ass and put this loud mouthed ***** to rest.
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Old 05-03-2010, 02:54 PM   #1824
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PEDs can't increase your stamina. That's pretty ******ed. cpitt. They help you recover so you can train much harder and increase your stamina that way.
I was willing to quit the whole PED talk for the good of the thread, but its hard to sit here and listen to people claim that I am making ******ed statments etc

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What is blood doping?
Blood doping is the misuse of certain techniques and/or substances to increase one’s red blood cell mass, which allows the body to transport more oxygen to muscles and therefore increase stamina and performance.

An increase in red blood cells improves the amount of oxygen that the blood can carry to the body’s muscles. It may also increase the body’s capacity to buffer lactic acid.
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Old 05-03-2010, 03:02 PM   #1825
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Except Mayweather doesn't care about his legacy, he cares about the money. Those were his words on the 24/7 show.
Which proves he won't fight Manny because he is scared. The payday for that fight would be astronomical....40-50 million for each fighter maybe
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