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Old 05-02-2010, 12:42 AM   #1726
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Re: SE Boxing Thread (still waiting for PBF v. Pac)

Really hoping Shane will hang em up...........
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Old 05-02-2010, 12:42 AM   #1727
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Re: SE Boxing Thread (still waiting for PBF v. Pac)

If anything and it isn't just some kind of excuse to get out, then I'm assuming it's EPO/blood doing/Pac's sick work-rate that they're worried about. Not various "roids" which I'm guessing Floyd himself and various of his opponents, with more or less his knowledge, have used many times preparing for fights.

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Old 05-02-2010, 12:42 AM   #1728
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LOL @ thinking Pac roided. Worst roids ever.
He'd roid like baseball players/long distance runners/etc would take steroids. Improve recovery to increase training volume.

The arguments used for him taking steroids are so ****ing ridiculous and applicable to Mayweather as well. Anyone who seriously believes the arguments based on how Pac looks is 1) incredibly gullible 2) doesn't know **** about the subject.
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Old 05-02-2010, 12:45 AM   #1729
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I have no idea what happened to Mosley after the second round, but he just got schooled by Mayweather. Great performance by Floyd.

I was hoping Mayweather loses, but I guess this is better for boxing as it sets up Mayweather vs. Pac.
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Old 05-02-2010, 12:46 AM   #1730
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Re: SE Boxing Thread (still waiting for PBF v. Pac)

There's basically no reason to think Pac took roids other than "he's really, really good"

I think they'll come to some sort of compromise. They were only a tiny bit apart (something like blood 30 days from the fight and blood 14 days from the fight)

They will meet in the middle for the sake of $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
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Old 05-02-2010, 12:47 AM   #1731
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He'd roid like baseball players/long distance runners/etc would take steroids. Improve recovery to increase training volume.

The arguments used for him taking steroids are so ****ing ridiculous and applicable to Mayweather as well. Anyone who seriously believes the arguments based on how Pac looks is 1) incredibly gullible 2) doesn't know **** about the subject.
The problem is that absent proof, all we have are pictures. If he didn't use them to increase mass, and no one can attest to him using to recover, then fight the damn fight imo.
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Old 05-02-2010, 12:47 AM   #1732
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Re: SE Boxing Thread (still waiting for PBF v. Pac)

there's a lot of reason to think every professional boxer took/takes PEDs.
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Old 05-02-2010, 12:51 AM   #1733
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The problem is that absent proof, all we have are pictures. If he didn't use them to increase mass, and no one can attest to him using to recover, then fight the damn fight imo.
Yeah... My viewpoint is Mayweather is a ***** ducker and came up with the most spurious moral high ground to duck the PacMan fight. I just hate the stupidity that people use to argue that PacMan does steroids (look at the pictures?!?!?!11!!1one). It makes me rage.

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there's a lot of reason to think every professional boxer took/takes PEDs.
Yeah. Or any professional athlete in general. The clean ones are far out numbered by the "cheats".
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Old 05-02-2010, 12:52 AM   #1734
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They are only 10 days apart. They have to reach a compromise for the sake of boxing and their own bank accounts, right?

No Mayweather or Pac fight is going to interest the public unless they face each other. They should have an epic trilogy and then both retire.

Mayweather vs. Pac Nov. 2011. Make it happen!
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Old 05-02-2010, 12:58 AM   #1735
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Old 05-02-2010, 01:01 AM   #1736
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Yeah... My viewpoint is Mayweather is a ***** ducker and came up with the most spurious moral high ground to duck the PacMan fight.
I thought this before too but I'm not sure that he isn't actually just trying to get testing to a higher level.
http://boxing.fanhouse.com/2010/04/2...ests-negative/

If Mayweather is actually clean its hard to fault him for wanting a higher level of testing.
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Old 05-02-2010, 01:07 AM   #1737
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I think these fights and the contract battles are schemes to build the hype for the superfight. It's going to happen. It has to happen for the sake of the sport. Pac and PBF are miles ahead of everybody else and the sport has to have a concrete #1 of the two fighters.
I'm starting to believe this too. Just got back from the bar, and all this fight proved to me (if it wasn't clear before) is that there's only one man currently fighting at welterweight who can beat Mayweather. Pacquiao is the only man who can even come close. Everyone else is light years behind these two, ldo you're bang on SUB.

PBF's guard isn't 100% impregnable, as Shane proved in round 2. Problem is, you need someone to sustain that type of offensive pressure over 12 rounds. A 38-year old Mosley was probably never able to do this. I think Pacquiao can. He'll also attack at obtuse angles that Mayweather's shoulder roll has never seen.

I don't dislike Lampley as much as most, although I do think he's a massive tool (BANG BANG BANG), but his comments on Mosley during the last 30 seconds of the fight were so sad and yet so true. Ugh. gg Sugar.
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Old 05-02-2010, 01:08 AM   #1738
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Yeah... My viewpoint is Mayweather is a ***** ducker and came up with the most spurious moral high ground to duck the PacMan fight. I just hate the stupidity that people use to argue that PacMan does steroids (look at the pictures?!?!?!11!!1one). It makes me rage.



Yeah. Or any professional athlete in general. The clean ones are far out numbered by the "cheats".
K, pretty sure that is everyone's view. On that alone, IF Mayweather knows he is clean, why is he a ***** for insisting on the best testing available? Maybe he doesn't know that even Olympic testing is easily avoided if he doesn't use PEDS himself? Or maybe he does know that and wants the chances of Pac being caught if he is juicing to be 5% instead of 0%.

So what if he never brought it up before. Maybe he just felt that no one else he fought was even on his level even with roids.
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Old 05-02-2010, 01:10 AM   #1739
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Re: SE Boxing Thread (still waiting for PBF v. Pac)

Occam's razor luls at that argument. The chance of PBF being "clean" is absurdly low. The chance he randomly decides to use the biggest fight of his life (One in which he has consistently avoided quality opponents) is a little too "coincidental".
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Old 05-02-2010, 01:17 AM   #1740
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Ugh, steroid talk itt so depressing. As predictable as this fight was, it was still a masterful performance from Mayweather. He neutralized a very dangerous fighter who probably didn't have as much left in the tank as we thought. This was very similar to Pacquiao-Cotto, except Pac neutralized the deteriorating Cotto with a non-stop offensive blitz instead of letter perfect defence and counterpunching.

I wanna start thinking about Pac-PBF again. Let's get this ****ing thing done.
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Old 05-02-2010, 01:20 AM   #1741
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K, pretty sure that is everyone's view. On that alone, IF Mayweather knows he is clean, why is he a ***** for insisting on the best testing available? Maybe he doesn't know that even Olympic testing is easily avoided if he doesn't use PEDS himself? Or maybe he does know that and wants the chances of Pac being caught if he is juicing to be 5% instead of 0%.

So what if he never brought it up before. Maybe he just felt that no one else he fought was even on his level even with roids.
Really?

If you're a fighter that wants to campaign for tougher testing requirements then you might consider having yourself held to those requirements first. Don't wait for anyone else, say "We should have this, I'm going to voluntarily."

Makes a much more powerful statement than waiting until you face your toughest opponent, especially when he's never been proven to have taken steroids.
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Old 05-02-2010, 01:30 AM   #1742
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Re: SE Boxing Thread (still waiting for PBF v. Pac)

You know what's funny though? Floyd's said it himself, he can win under "any circumstances" (after the joke of a Baldomir fight).

Steroids shouldn't be an issue. Any circumstances.

Floyd's a hypocrite and a *****. But dayum, he's good.
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Old 05-02-2010, 01:33 AM   #1743
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If you're a fighter that wants to campaign for tougher testing requirements then you might consider having yourself held to those requirements first.
They did for this fight though. Of course you can make the argument there was no way they couldn't have without looking like fools.

I think the reality is that Pacman has so much going on post boxing that even $30 million isn't worth the extra risk of testing positive. It would be a disaster of epic proportion.
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Old 05-02-2010, 01:48 AM   #1744
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I think its really strange that someone of his ability doesn't have that killer instinct where he wants to crush people. Its probably better for his chances to win each fight by taking a conservative approach. It is weird though. Virtually everyone else much rather take the KO, but Mayweather seems to be sated with wins rather than KOs.
He only started fighting like this out of necessity though. His hands are brittle. Before he starting breaking his hands in every fight, he was much more aggressive than he is now. After all he does have 25 KO's. I think its a testament to how great a boxer he is that he can completely change his game and still dominate.
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Old 05-02-2010, 01:58 AM   #1745
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Occam's razor luls at that argument. The chance of PBF being "clean" is absurdly low. The chance he randomly decides to use the biggest fight of his life (One in which he has consistently avoided quality opponents) is a little too "coincidental".
Well that was my "argument" if PBF is clean, or if they are both clean, which is lollololololol, but is the way the debate is being framed almost everywhere. If its simply the case that both are "cheaters" playing games, I don't see reason to be outraged either way. Yeah, it may be the most likely scenario, but most Pacquiao defenders aren't acknowledging it.
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Old 05-02-2010, 01:59 AM   #1746
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This sport ain't kind to the warriors. Fans love it, but the warriors pay a price for us to enjoy it. Shane Mosley needs to retire now...is was most obvious in the post fight interview, the slurring of his words. I heard them even in 24/7 build up. hoped I was wrong.

Shane was a warrior in there tonight, and the 2nd round was proof of that. But from the start of the 3rd, he was not the same fighter any more. He was already gassed, and while Floyd was adjusting, his years and past battles surfaced. He had little more to give. He was coming forward now and not throwing. Getting in range and where did the combos go? That explosive right? what? Better yet...why? He just about took PBF out with it, why oh why? Because there wasn't anything left. It's that simple. He gave all he had and was not prepared for a man in the peak of his life, and on top of the sport. 5 years ago, who knows. We'll never know.

But much respect to Shane Mosley for giving it all he had in there tonite. And when all was said and done, he was just trying to make it thru and be standing for us for the final curtain call. And that he did. And got beat by the better man.

He made a good paycheck tonight, and gave us all a lot of great memories and footage to think about for years to come. But time to bow out gracefully. I thank you Shane Mosley, for doing all you could. Now go gently into that good night.

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Really?

If you're a fighter that wants to campaign for tougher testing requirements then you might consider having yourself held to those requirements first. Don't wait for anyone else, say "We should have this, I'm going to voluntarily."

Makes a much more powerful statement than waiting until you face your toughest opponent, especially when he's never been proven to have taken steroids.
So he is just going to go up against a roided up fighting machine while he himself is completely clean? Its not about statements, that just doesn't make sense, especially when you are all about the $$$$$$$$ without getting your face bashed in. No one but complete idiots in any sport anywhere are proven to take steroids, yet most of them are doing it, so don't see how that is relevant.

You wait until you fight your toughest opponent, because you don't care if anyone else is on roids since when you watch the tapes you know they can't touch you anyway. Maybe he never expected anyone like Pacman would come along, and when he saw Pac fight, he was like holy ****, better make a new policy to not fight crazy good dudes who are also on PEDs. Or maybe just watching Pacman fight made him say, holy ****, this dude HAS to be on PEDs to be that good, our drug testing policy must be a joke.

Btw, I agree with Thremp that they are probably both on PEDs. This is just the argument in the alternate universe where one or both of them are "clean."

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Old 05-02-2010, 02:42 AM   #1748
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I honestly don't think either of them are on steriods, but I don't really care. I just want to see them fight.

Why do we have to assume though that it's highly unlikely they're clean? Because they're dominant? Maybe I'm wrong but that's what it looked like was insinuated itt. These are arguably the two best p4p fighters of their era; every generation seems to enjoy one or two freaks of nature that crush the field with gifted talent, I don't think that means zomg PED alert.

Are Federer and Nadal on PEDs cause they consistently wafflecrush ATP fields when healthy?
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So he is just going to go up against a roided up fighting machine while he himself is completely clean? Its not about statements, that just doesn't make sense, especially when you are all about the $$$$$$$$ without getting your face bashed in. No one but complete idiots in any sport anywhere are proven to take steroids, yet most of them are doing it, so don't see how that is relevant.

You wait until you fight your toughest opponent, because you don't care if anyone else is on roids since when you watch the tapes you know they can't touch you anyway. Maybe he never expected anyone like Pacman would come along, and when he saw Pac fight, he was like holy ****, better make a new policy to not fight crazy good dudes who are also on PEDs. Or maybe just watching Pacman fight made him say, holy ****, this dude HAS to be on PEDs to be that good, our drug testing policy must be a joke.

Btw, I agree with Thremp that they are probably both on PEDs. This is just the argument in the alternate universe where one or both of them are "clean."
This is just 8 different layers of stupid. You have no proof of anyone being on roids, yet arbitrarily assume (because they're elite athletes?) that they are or must be.

They're both clean until we get tests, photo, or testimony to the contrary (to the extent it constitutes proof).
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Why do we have to assume though that it's highly unlikely they're clean? Because they're dominant? Maybe I'm wrong but that's what it looked like was insinuated itt. These are arguably the two best p4p fighters of their era; every generation seems to enjoy one or two freaks of nature that crush the field with gifted talent, I don't think that means zomg PED alert.
because it's so prevalent in competitive athletics. The training volume these guys go through are insane. It's not just the dominant guys. The entire undercard was also likely on something. There's just so much at stake. And when the bottom level guys do it, the next level guys do it to keep their edge, and then the next level, and so on and so on.

I'm not saying it's impossible for them to be 100% clean, but if someone gave me even money on it, I'd back up the money truck. I'd quite literally put up every cent I could.

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probably. It's not just Federer and Nadal, though. It's all of ATP's top 500 or whatever.
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