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02-06-2014 , 04:57 AM
Golovkin fighting Andy Lee apparently.
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02-06-2014 , 06:37 AM
Golovkin-Lee is a joke. Khan doesnt deserve the fight but I think he has a better chance than Maidana. Mayweather eats up B+ level brawlers but we havent seen him in with a mover for a while. Too bad Khan hasn't done anything of note since the Garcia fight. If he dominated Alexander rather than ducking him he'd have a *much* stronger, although still weak (realistically he needs two big wins), case for the fight.

Mayweather v. Maidana
Khan v. Thurman

Winners and losers face each other.
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02-08-2014 , 05:09 PM
Lee was giving JCC Jr a run for his money before he got caught and KOed.
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02-08-2014 , 05:29 PM
I'm surprised Lee would take that fight. I figured they'd build up for a Macklin showdown, which is winnable for Lee (though I'd favor Macklin still), and could shoot him onto fighting other more winnable big names (Sturm, Murray, hell, even Sergio).

I guess the $$ for GGG was just too good, but this should be another solid notch on GGG's belt. Andy Lee is probably considered top 15 at 160lbs these days.

Nobody really wants to fight GGG, but he's pretty valuable now, and has amassed a big following, so the fights should get bigger and bigger.

PartyUK, is Khan really more of a mover than Guererro? Ortiz had those "fast hands" too (and the southpaw style that was supposedly Floyd's cryptonite). It's not like Khan is De La Hoya or something (who wasn't all that impressive, but did win some easy rounds without doing any real damage, as Floyd wasn't throwing much in too many rounds, but still won that fight clearly).

Khan is just a young hyped prospect that hasn't materialized into anything other than a guy that has some skill, but ultimately has shown (thus far) that he belongs outside of the belt area level of the 140-147lb fighters. Lamont Peterson has fast hands and good boxing skills as well. He's probably equally worthy of fighting Floyd as Khan too. Maidana may only be like the 5th most deserving person at WW to fight Floyd, but don't let it escape you that Khan is like 15th most deserving.

Also, odds that Khan has been rigging the Floyd vote with bot votes? Double digit % imo.

Last edited by ChicagoRy; 02-08-2014 at 05:40 PM.
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02-08-2014 , 06:06 PM
Khan's handspeed is on a different level to almost everyone Floyd has ever faced. He's very very fast. I would give him a very decent chance against Floyd in a four round fight.
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02-08-2014 , 06:18 PM


Check out the first two rounds.
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02-08-2014 , 07:25 PM
That was a long time ago, he seems to have declined a fair bit since then.
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02-09-2014 , 08:32 AM
Amir Khan should be nowhere near a fight with Floyd. Wtf is he thinking? Would be seriously pissed if he goes down that route given that he probably doesn't have that many big fights left in him given his age.
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02-09-2014 , 08:41 AM
why does anyone want to see may maidana

last few fights should've taught us that floyd vs decent brawler/pressure fighter is woat level entertainment
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02-09-2014 , 08:42 AM
I don't want to see either
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02-09-2014 , 05:55 PM
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Originally Posted by BAIDS
why does anyone want to see may maidana

last few fights should've taught us that floyd vs decent brawler/pressure fighter is woat level entertainment
I don't know about this. Cotto? But yes it's true Cotto bigger than Maidana and at least at his peak, better. Basically every single floyd fight besides v cotto has been WOAT level entertainment. I can see it both ways. I would have loved to see Khan try to fight Floyd about 3 years ago, but I see no reason to believe Khan is any good at all anymore after his last few fights. Generally I would think someone with Khan's style has at least a chance to do better v Floyd (and agree with partygirl that almost noone has khan's handspeed) but Maidana does "deserve it" more and more than that I think he has looked better lately with Garcia. But even then that was really one fight, Maidana is getting a bit overrated considering he was in a pretty close fight with Joseito Lopez who is basically a small journeyman, and Jesus Soto Karass, who is definitely a journeyman, both recently. Maidana prob my 2nd favorite fighter but I don't have a strong opinion on this either way.

I think Maidana showed some head movement and punch angle things v Broner that make me think he has a chance at hitting Floyd though, which I would probably not have said a year ago. I would watch both Khan/Floyd and Maidana/Floyd and pay for them both heh. It would be fun to see Floyd fight someone as fast as Khan but we have been saying this **** about Khan's potential for how long now?



The completely obvious fight that should absolutely be made is of course Garcia/Floyd.
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02-10-2014 , 02:13 AM
This is my favorite Khan fight UKGirl



In all seriousness (I don't care about that fight, it was 6 years ago), the reasons why Maidana is a better fit:

- Khan has lost to Garcia and Peterson. Peterson has been killed by Matthyse who is about on par with Garcia. This is all in his recent bouts. It seems pretty obvious that Khan is just outside of the 140lb title holder level as far as proven skill goes.

- Khan has lost 2 of his last 3 fights. His lone win was not all that impressive nor against a top notch fighter.

- Maidana, by all evidence, has improved a lot since his Khan fight (over 3 years ago). He's won his last 4 fights, 3 by knockout, and 3 against fairly solid opponents.

- He just dominated a fighter that virtually everyone would've considered superior to Khan at 140 or 147 lbs (Broner).

- The points about Floyd's recent fights against brawlers do not make sense. Canelo boxed Floyd, he is not a brawler vs top competition (he fought a boxing fight against Trout too), he's a young guy with a lot of power, but prefers to use hand speed and stay in the center of the ring. Guererro didn't pressure Floyd either, he boxed him and got beat up a lot as well. The only guy I recall giving Floyd any trouble by boxing him was DLH, and a) Khan is a far cry from even an aging DLH and b) DLH actually had most of his success leading with a jab then getting inside (not with strong punches, but with punches that would score points, especially when Floyd did not throw a lot).

- The only guy that ever really had Floyd in trouble was Castillo. He did that by applying a lot of pressure and throwing hard power shots to the body. Only Maidana is capable of that in this comparison.

- While Cotto probably didn't win more than 4 rounds, the success he had was power punching to the body. Though most shots seem to miss/deflect throughout the fight, it was clear that he made Floyd uncomfortable at times. Again, this is far closer to Maidana's style than Khan's.

- Neither fighter stands much of a chance vs Floyd (Unless Floyd ages a ton over a 6 month period), but I'd rather see a guy with a 10% chance at beating up Floyd (Maidana) than a guy with a 20% chance of winning 3-4 rounds (Khan).

- I guess one might argue that Floyd has a shot at KOing Khan, that's very valid. But this hand speed stuff is weird. Floyd has been boxing his last few opponents, with ease, opponents that by all metrics should have given him a far tougher time than Khan is expected to.
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02-10-2014 , 03:31 PM
To no ones surprise Khan shipped the poll, 57% to 43%. Now Floyd can claim he gave the fans the fight they wanted to see.
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02-10-2014 , 06:14 PM
From what I was reading, Khan's massive comeback in the polls does not quite coincide with his campaigning (he was campaigning well before that and hard throughout).

Odds that thing got manipulated has to be huge.

We should've chipped in to buy votes for Maidana lol.
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02-10-2014 , 06:20 PM
Would love Floyd to troll Khan and do a big butnahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh and lol @ him publicly for thinking he can share the same ring as him.
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02-10-2014 , 08:58 PM
No surprise that Khan won. Huge following in the UK.
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02-10-2014 , 09:07 PM
A large part of the U.K. doesn't like him at all, possibly (probably?) a majority

Maybe vote for him to see him get knocked out though lol. But like Chicago says this whole poll thing reeks of attention whoring and I'm sure Floyd has a preferred opponent in mind and I'm equally sure any "results" of the poll will reflect that
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02-11-2014 , 09:30 AM
They probably voted for Khan because they want to see him get embarrassed.
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02-11-2014 , 10:22 AM
Khan has no problems at all with embarrassing himself ... as long as he gets paid well for it.
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02-13-2014 , 12:37 AM
Not sure if mentioned, but Wlad's next opponent is mandatory challenger Alex Leapai.

Who?

Although he has 4 losses, his biggest win was against then undefeated Denis Boystov.

He is ranked 29th in the division by BoxRec and stands to be another lol win for Klitschko who continues to have a stranglehold on the division. lol heavyweights
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02-13-2014 , 12:43 AM
Is Leapai ranked by the sanctioning body of Vitali's recently abandoned belt?

If so, that could be a "kill two birds with one stone" type thing (so Wlad can get ranked to contend for that belt in the next year or so).

At least we know Wlad will have to fight someone with a pulse to get that unification (Stiverne, Arreola, or lolWilder).

Then again, even when he does fight the top heavyweights like Povetkin or Adamek, it's not worth a damn, they just get torched.
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02-13-2014 , 12:48 AM
Some other boxing news in this slow as hell period...

- Apparently Froch Groves II has been agreed upon and might happen in May. Sweet. I think the commission made it easier by ordering a 85-15 split in Froch's favor. Groves has no other options (unless Ward really wants him, doubtful), so he has to take that, and Froch probably is enticed by getting 85% vs Groves in a huge rematch, rather than getting something closer to a split vs JCC (if JCC wins in a few weeks).

- Marquez doesn't seem interested in Provodnikov, but is possibly interested in Alvarado. So weak, hope he loses to whoever he fights next, unless it's Provodnikov (he should be fighting Provo is what I mean).

- Anyone seen Herrera? The 140lber that is fighting Danny Garcia in Puerto Rico next. He's lost 3 times, but one was to Alvarado, and he actually beat Provodnikov. The latter fight is on YT, I might take a look tonight if I don't fall asleep. It was 3 years ago, but my thought here is that if he could beat Provo, he might be a pretty good boxer, and if someone can box, they might have more than a puncher's chance vs Garcia (otherwise I'd picture a 33 year old with 3 losses and no championship fights to be a joke of an opponent).

- Willie Nelson reportedly wants Kirkland, next. And it sounds like he could get him. Having seen Willie's last fight, against a stalking fighter, where he did not do so well... this surprises me. I like Willie Nelson, and was looking forward to Macklin fighting him before Nelson got hurt last year, but I don't see Nelson beating Kirkland. Pretty crazy to ask for this fight, he's still young, he only has one loss and he's coming off a shoulder surgery. But you know what? **** yea for Willie having the stones to not only take this fight (if offered), but demand it publicly. Too many boxers try to get their way to 20-30 wins with 0-1 defeat against mostly soft opponents. I wish it were more like the UFC, where the best just constantly fought each other and championship bouts might be 13-4 versus 9-4. It's about quality of fights, not record.
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02-13-2014 , 12:51 AM
Marquez needs a fight to recover from being outboxed by Timothy Bradley. To be honest, he should probably hang them up if he loses to Alvarado. He won't hang them up, but he should.
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02-13-2014 , 06:51 AM
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Is Leapai ranked by the sanctioning body of Vitali's recently abandoned belt?.
Not in top 15 lol

However, he's the #1 contender in WBO and #10 in WBA. Not in top 15 in IBF or WBC.

lol boxing
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02-13-2014 , 07:30 AM
Froch vs. Groves II has been agreed for 31st May, venue "a football stadium".

I'll be interested to see what the line is with the turf accountants for this fight.
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