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01-09-2014 , 12:05 AM
Geale's promoter says that HBO passed on Geale Golovkin for April. If this is true, screw you HBO.

Rumored for GGG's April fight is now Kirkland. Seriously? Kirkland is a great piece of entertainment, he hits hard, he can take some punches, but he doesn't have the defense, movement or skillset to do anything to GGG. Stevens should have a better shot vs GGG than Kirkland. And I don't want to see Kirkland's career have yet another setback by getting crushed by GGG. He doesn't deserve that. Kirkland should have a shot at Lara, or Trout at least. Fights where he has a chance vs fighters at his own weight, not a top P4P beast at 160.

Trouble is, now that Murray reportedly has been offered a fight vs Sturm and Geale is set to fight Wood (Barker hurt, Martinez prolly vs Cotto in June, Vera fighting Chavez, Macklin already beat, Quillin with Showtime), who else can GGG fight in April?

Pretty much a bummer that GGG can't secure Murray or Geale for April, and HBO doesn't seem to be cooperating any.
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01-09-2014 , 01:31 AM
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Originally Posted by NoJacket
Canelo vs Angulo is a great fight. Angulo is probably underrated, he was very close to beating Lara and most people have him as number 1 at 154 now.
Lara over Mayweather?

Money holds two belts at 154 and beat Canelo like he committed a crime.
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01-09-2014 , 01:41 AM
angulo is fine except he lost to kirkland

and lara
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01-09-2014 , 02:33 AM
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Originally Posted by mutigers5591
angulo is fine except he lost to kirkland

and lara
Sorry ignore this in pretty drunk. Tried to delete this lol. Angulo is a fine opponent v canelo. Pretty fun matchup tbh. When was the last time someone destroyed Anguli? I have never seen it. Feel like he always has a punchers chance
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01-09-2014 , 10:37 AM
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Originally Posted by SuperUberBob
Lara over Mayweather?

Money holds two belts at 154 and beat Canelo like he committed a crime.
If Mayweather is fighting at 154 then he is number 1. But it isn't his natural home, he only goes there for big money fights. He will probably only fight at 147 this year.

"beat Canelo like he committed a crime."

You have a strange definition of a beatdown. Alvarez absorbed more damage against Jose Cotto than he did against Mayweather.
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01-10-2014 , 01:50 AM
I don't think Lara is #1 (discounting Floyd of course) at 154. I think Canelo is ahead of him still.

Lara drew vs Molina and Martirosyan and he also lost vs Williams. That's 3 of his last 7 fights.

He barely got by Angulo. He outran a runner (Trout), by a good margin, but Trout literally had no clue how to pursue, and after a few rounds of losing a boring boxing match Trout at least had the decency to realize he had to pursue (granted, why on earth Trout's camp did not work better on pursuing Lara during preparation is beyond my understanding).

Anyways, Lara is a fine fighter, but he's not as elite as the hype imo. And I think he's clearly #2 to Canelo right now. He's no Rigondeaux or Floyd as many seem to make him out to be.
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01-10-2014 , 01:51 AM
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Originally Posted by NoJacket

You have a strange definition of a beatdown. Alvarez absorbed more damage against Jose Cotto than he did against Mayweather.
Depends how you describe it.

Floyd didn't hurt Canelo all that much. He dominated him, virtually shut him out, put on a clinic, etc.

Similar to Manny Rios really.

I'd reserve words like beatdown for things like Cotto vs recent scrub, or GGG vs anyone.
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01-10-2014 , 01:56 AM
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Originally Posted by mutigers5591
Sorry ignore this in pretty drunk. Tried to delete this lol. Angulo is a fine opponent v canelo. Pretty fun matchup tbh. When was the last time someone destroyed Anguli? I have never seen it. Feel like he always has a punchers chance
Agreed.

Kirkland was close to being stopped at one point, Angulo punched himself out and never really recovered (such a sick fight, it's on youtube or vimeo for anyone that hasn't seen it, see it if you have not, Kirkland Angulo is a classic... undercard Quillin fight is solid as well).

Vs Lara, Angulo was like in prison (immigration detention, probably worse) for many months prior to that fight, and still knocked him down twice, and if that eye wouldn't have turned into such a nasty disfiguration the fight would not have ended and it was virtually even on the cards.

I personally feel Angulo is a great fit for Canelo (slower, there to be hit), but he's certainly one of the top 2 or 3 best fights for Canelo in March, so we have a winner here.
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01-10-2014 , 08:38 AM
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Originally Posted by ChicagoRy
I don't think Lara is #1 (discounting Floyd of course) at 154. I think Canelo is ahead of him still.

Lara drew vs Molina and Martirosyan and he also lost vs Williams. That's 3 of his last 7 fights.

He barely got by Angulo. He outran a runner (Trout), by a good margin, but Trout literally had no clue how to pursue, and after a few rounds of losing a boring boxing match Trout at least had the decency to realize he had to pursue (granted, why on earth Trout's camp did not work better on pursuing Lara during preparation is beyond my understanding).

Anyways, Lara is a fine fighter, but he's not as elite as the hype imo. And I think he's clearly #2 to Canelo right now. He's no Rigondeaux or Floyd as many seem to make him out to be.
His fights against Williams and Martirosyan were outright robberies. I haven't seen the Molina fight but apparently most people had Lara winning. I'm not saying that Lara should be in the pound-for-pound reckoning, I just think he's above Canelo. Let's not forget, Canelo's only elite level win was against Trout and Lara handled him a lot better.
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01-10-2014 , 11:45 AM
Just got around to watching an old DVR'd fight, Rod Salka vs. Ricardo (Canelo's brother) Alvarez, and i'm irate.

Salka is a nobody, much smaller than Alvarez, and has no power at all. It was his first time fighting on TV and his first time fighting outside of Pennsylvania. He fought a masterful fight, jumping in landing triple jabs and then slipping Alvarez's wild bombs, handcuffing Alvarez with 4 punch combos, etc. It was really beautiful if you like boxing.

Salka clearly won 5 rounds
Alvarez clearly won 1 round
3 rounds were pretty close
1 round was Salka's but conceivable to give to Alvarez

I scored it 97-93 Salka

Final scores:
95-95
96-94 Alvarez
98-92 Alvarez

98-92 Alvarez is an absolute crime. Judges name is Oren Shellenberger and i see he's worked some really big fights (Donaire-Darchinyan 2, Mikey Garcia-Rocky Martinez, Mikey Garcia-Juan Manuel Lopez). lol boxing
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01-10-2014 , 04:09 PM
I didn't see Williams, but I thought Martiroysan fight was fair. I had it 2-2-2 going into 9th, it was a really close fight. Then in the 9th, Lara landed a jab, and both fighters missed like 6 shots each until the headbutt ended the fight. So I guess technically because Lara scored a jab in that round I'd of had it 3-2 with 2 rounds too close to call.

I won't take everything away from Lara, he's looked a better fighter since, but I don't think he clearly won that fight or anything, a draw seemed fair. Other than vs Trout, has he looked really good vs any top 154lbers? And again, I think Trout was more to do with Trout having no idea how to pursue a movement fighter, yet still doing so bc he had no chance to win with his usual method of fighting.

JayTeeMe, so what you're saying is we should all bet against Canelo's brother in March (he's a dog anyways I believe) in his belt fight? Acknowledged.
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01-11-2014 , 12:01 AM
Broner Maidana II going to happen in April.

Pretty sweet. We got to see what Broner was made of in the first fight, and found out he couldn't really step it up and move and box too well vs a good come forward puncher. Now we get to see if/how he adjusts.
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01-11-2014 , 01:20 AM
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JayTeeMe, so what you're saying is we should all bet against Canelo's brother in March (he's a dog anyways I believe) in his belt fight? Acknowledged.
He didn't look anything like a guy who should be fighting for a title, that's for sure.

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Broner Maidana II going to happen in April.

Pretty sweet. We got to see what Broner was made of in the first fight, and found out he couldn't really step it up and move and box too well vs a good come forward puncher. Now we get to see if/how he adjusts.
Broner -180 imo
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01-11-2014 , 03:20 AM
i wouldn't bet that fight either way with a (insert grinch analogy). would be the best fight ever if maidana beat broner again though. i think broner prob underestimated maidana but i have a hard time believing broner can't fight him similarly to how alexander did. might be some racial bias on my part frankly. broner's resume so far is just not that elite


but i watched the lara/paul williams fight and he beat Williams handily fwiw. i WOULD NOT recommend watching the fight but yeah lara has a strange record. his only interesting fight that i remember is v angulo though fwiw
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01-11-2014 , 12:48 PM
Pauli made a really good observation that you could tell based on his stance if Broner was on the offensive or defensive. Created an element of predictability when fighting. Maidana exposed him as a fraud in that fight. Wonder if Broner is young enough to make such huge adjustments to his game.

IMO Broner needed that loss. He needed to learn some humility. Perhaps he'll take his opponents more seriously and not act like he can go into cruise control against them.
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01-12-2014 , 05:26 PM
I call BS on Paulie's comments. Broner hit Paulie with nearly 50% of his shots, and Paulie only landed 25%. If Broner was really giving off tells you'd think those #s would not have been possible (Paulie doesn't hit that hard, but he's fast and smart, there's no way he has such a hard read and misses that often yet gets hit that often). Paulie does talk a lot too.

I've always felt Broner's footwork has been really good. His problem is he just stands in there very often like Floyd. Yet only Floyd can stand in there like that and not get hit vs elite fighters (Maidana isn't even elite either, he's good, but not elite). Even guys like Lara and Rigondeaux, really good defensive fighters, they don't stand in and dodge (Lara would've been KO vs Angulo fast if he did that), they use their feet to move around.

Broner doesn't need to run against Maidana, but he needs to circle around the ring. It's like he didn't know what circling the ring meant vs Maidana and he just stood there, moving up and down, sort of like an old video game with limited movement (and a broken left right movement buttons).

I hope he underestimated him, but I think he trained hard, he looked like he was in great shape, his hand speed and power was good, I think his strategy was just ****. Whether it's his trainer or him, they need to learn some fundamental strategy vs a come forward fighter in their rematch.

-180 scares the **** out of me. And I bet -500 or whatever it was the first time. I just didn't think Broner would put his body in such bad spots over and over in that fight (it got better in the middle rounds for a bit, but then he got nailed by that long left hook by Maidana as he was... yes, again backing up...).
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01-12-2014 , 07:52 PM
Huge fight for Maidana. If he wins I reckon he'll virtually guarantee himself a fight against Mayweather next.
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01-13-2014 , 11:34 PM
Who do you think wins Pascal Bute?

I know next to nothing about both men (aside from who they have and have not beat).

Pascal is a slight favorite at -155. 60-40% odds in favor of Pascal (vig free translated to %s).
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01-13-2014 , 11:46 PM
I think the bookies have it right, Pascal has a lot more experience at LH. Bute has one fight at LH when he went the distance with Grachev who has since been exposed. I don't think Bute's KO power has moved up in weight with him so I fancy Pascal to KO him somewhere in rounds 9-12.

Should be a decent fight imo.
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01-15-2014 , 02:13 AM
Really good so far, thanks.
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01-16-2014 , 09:47 PM
Good news: WBC president Jose Sulaiman is dead.

Bad news: He'll probably be replaced by someone just as corrupt.
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01-17-2014 , 02:11 AM
His son Mauricio Sulaimán is the WBC Executive Director.. the WBC org chart surprisingly doesn't list any other Sulaimáns, not that they have a monopoly on corruption in the boxing world..
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01-18-2014 , 07:47 PM
Jr. Middleweight Molina is set to face the slightly lesser known of the brothers, undefeated Charlo.

I wonder where that leaves Lara. Kirkland would be nice, but stupidly he's rumored to face GGG in April (I'd rather see GGG Geale, and Kirkland Lara personally, but Kirkland did so well in his last fight I can see why they'd put him vs GGG).

Who else can Lara face? Rematch vs Martiroysan? Is he GB? Not sure who else is around that is more than a tune up. ****ty.
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01-19-2014 , 12:15 AM
Pascal/Bute coming up any moment.
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