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12-01-2013 , 01:10 AM
Superman doing work.
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12-01-2013 , 01:13 AM
I really think the only fight that can be easily made is Stevenson v. Kovalev. Neither of them care about the politics and will fight anyone. Talk about a power slug fest.
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12-01-2013 , 01:13 AM
Pretty sure Stevenson just got knocked down. Didn't see that as a slip.
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12-01-2013 , 01:20 AM
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Originally Posted by CheckDaQuads
I really think the only fight that can be easily made is Stevenson v. Kovalev. Neither of them care about the politics and will fight anyone. Talk about a power slug fest.
Stevenson said before this fight he does not want to fight kovalev next. Looking at the Bute-Pascal winner I think.
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12-01-2013 , 01:20 AM
Replay showed it a clear slip.

Stevenson fighting smart here. I don't think he's as strong as Kovalev btw, but he's obviously very powerful and has some good boxing abilities.

Yea, Kovalev is a smaller name and by far the best opponent Stevenson could face, so it'll be a battle between Stevenson's camp wanting to take easier money and HBO-Top Rank wanting the megafight.*

*That's just what I gather from hearing each camp talk about it. Stevenson's camp keeps saying things like how Kovalev is unproven and/or needs to build his audience more.
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12-01-2013 , 01:23 AM
The thing about Stevenson's left is that he seems to throw it so fast, like Floyd's straight rights, and the power he brings with it for such a fast short shot is really impressive.
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12-01-2013 , 01:24 AM
Good stoppage by the ref and good fight.
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12-01-2013 , 01:29 AM
Adonis wants Froch or Hopkins apparently. Looks like all he's interested in is money though.
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12-01-2013 , 01:32 AM
wish i didnt know what i do now about adonis and waht he did to those women.

He said a little while ago he was just the bodyguard for the girls but that wasnt quite true from what the girls say.

Oh well, maybe he changed.

Sick skills for sure
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12-01-2013 , 01:44 AM
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Originally Posted by CheckDaQuads
Adonis wants Froch or Hopkins apparently. Looks like all he's interested in is money though.
I'm actually happy to hear that, because Hopkins is very unlikely due to the war, and Froch is likely to get more money fighting Groves in a second fight or fighting Chavez (if Chavez beats Vera).

I don't see how it makes money sense for Froch to go up to 175 to fight Stevenson, so why fight such a good fighter AND move up in weight? I suppose Stevenson could go down to 168 though.

HBO should pay Stevenson enough to make the Kovalev fight happen and there's been a lot written that HBO wants to do it.

I'd guess early spring 2014 as a likely time for those two to fight.

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wish i didnt know what i do now about adonis and waht he did to those women.

He said a little while ago he was just the bodyguard for the girls but that wasnt quite true from what the girls say.

Oh well, maybe he changed.

Sick skills for sure
It seems to vary exactly what happened, did you have links for what the prostitutes said he specifically did?

Granted, he was 18 years old, from Haiti and in a gang... not that it's an excuse, but people kill others at 18 and end up becoming decent people 15-20 years later in life.
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12-01-2013 , 01:46 AM
Alleged rapists make it far in sports: Kobe, Big Ben, Jameis & Stevenson.

Messed up world we live in.
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12-01-2013 , 01:53 AM
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Originally Posted by robust
Alleged rapists make it far in sports: Kobe, Big Ben, Jameis & Stevenson.

Messed up world we live in.
Lol at this....
How you forget Tyson completely shatters the integrity of this bold claim...
Maybe there's a correlation between women crying wolf and the amount of money these 'wolves' make...? Food for thought...
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12-01-2013 , 01:55 AM
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It seems to vary exactly what happened, did you have links for what the prostitutes said he specifically did?

Granted, he was 18 years old, from Haiti and in a gang... not that it's an excuse, but people kill others at 18 and end up becoming decent people 15-20 years later in life.
he was 18? didnt know he was that young.

Anyway yeah there are a few articles in french about the victims speaking about what happened.

They were 3 guys and all 3 of them had one of the girls "in love" with them (everyone seems to agree the "leader" was "Fox", and stevenson was his right hand). They pretty much pimped them out, giving them only 10$ a day to eat mcdonald's They were from 17 to 21 year old I believe. They also repeatedly raped them and beat them when some things went wrong (near the end the girls started ratting on each other and kind of all got beat up for it...) Death threats, etc.

One time stevenson told his girl "either this knife or my dick goes in your ass, you pick".

**** like that.

But yeah, its possible he's changed. He obviously got out of it and put everything in boxing lately so ehh there is hoping that he's had waht he deserved in prison and now he changed. He kinda got light on the jail time tho like 2 years I think.

Im kind of rooting for him but its hard.
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12-01-2013 , 02:03 AM
Espn Deportes reporting Top Rank offered Cotto 15 mil for Martinez fight. I find that hard to swallow given Martinez's smaller draw historically and Cotto never making this much in his career (and having been in several bigger fights).

Here's the link - http://espndeportes.espn.go.com/news...box&type=story
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12-01-2013 , 02:04 AM
I'm with you Kirby. I want to like Superman but his past just makes me cringe.

I know he was young and everyone deserves a second chance, but it's stuff like this that I cannot forgive.

Any man that beats or pimps out women is not a man at all. I'll never see it any different.
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12-01-2013 , 02:05 AM
I read the French articles but they range on basic information such as the age of the girls involved and the leader of the group.

One article citing some of the worse stuff was on blogspot.

I don't know, would be interested in hearing more. I'm not saying he's a good guy and he's not even a favorite boxer of mine (I like Kovalev more and think he'd win the fight), he's a bit obnoxious tbh (but a very good fighter), but the information out there seems a little thin.

If he actually forced girls into prostitution and beat them up then I can agree with you guys. One article said they were strippers that began working for the escort company that Stevenson was a part of and the girls were also messing around with Stevenson and the rest of the crew too. Again, info isn't that clear on either side, all we know is what some girls accused them of in the end vs what he was convicted of.

For example, you'd think if the women were forced into prostitution for 3-4 years and it didn't surface til one managed to escape, a Haitan immigrant gang member would've been hit with a kidnapping conviction too.

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12-01-2013 , 02:15 AM
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Lol at this....
How you forget Tyson completely shatters the integrity of this bold claim...
Maybe there's a correlation between women crying wolf and the amount of money these 'wolves' make...? Food for thought...
Not really trying to debate this. It's just very unfortunate for the victims.

Like the posts above, I think Stevenson is very talented (and has grown a lot as a fighter this year), but his past bothers me. I'd like to see him fight the top guys at 175.
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12-01-2013 , 02:17 AM
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Originally Posted by ChicagoRy
I read the French articles but they range on basic information such as the age of the girls involved and the leader of the group.

One article citing some of the worse stuff was on blogspot.

I don't know, would be interested in hearing more. I'm not saying he's a good guy and he's not even a favorite boxer of mine (I like Kovalev more and think he'd win the fight), he's a bit obnoxious tbh (but a very good fighter), but the information out there seems a little thin.

If he actually forced girls into prostitution and beat them up then I can agree with you guys. One article said they were strippers that began working for the escort company that Stevenson was a part of and the girls were also messing around with Stevenson and the rest of the crew too. Again, info isn't that clear on either side, all we know is what some girls accused them of in the end vs what he was convicted of.

For example, you'd think if the women were forced into prostitution for 3-4 years and it didn't surface til one managed to escape, a Haitan immigrant gang member would've been hit with a kidnapping conviction too.
http://translate.google.ca/translate...d|9NP~e9YiL2v8

pretty serious newspaper here, with real quotes from the victims. Supposedly.

DOesnt help his case that he went on popular talkshows in recent years saying he was their bodyguard and never hurt them.
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12-01-2013 , 02:36 AM
I watched that "Tout le monde en parle" clip on youtube, so I was hoping that his criminal past wasn't too bad. I just read the la presse article. I can't believe that the two girls were forced to fight each other. That article put everything out there. Hopefully Stevenson has really become a better person. I didn't realize that he was so young when he moved to Quebec.
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12-01-2013 , 02:40 AM
Thanks for that link. I agree that the victim's stories do sound worse and far tougher to come to grips with even 15 years later than Adonis' side of the story.

More objectively than either the accuser or Adonis' stories, the judge said this:

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"There is no sort of doubt that the accused lived off the avails of all the girls that are described in the indictment," said the magistrate.

"The girls were seriously beaten. They were forced to fight them. They were forced to do acts of lesbianism, he says. They were threatened when they, on occasion, expressed the intention to leave the group. "Fox is the undisputed leader, holds court.

Adonis had control over two girls, from which he received the income, said the judge. He was a partner in the IT company that served as a screen lawful gang. He was present when the girls are beaten up, caught the judge.
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12-01-2013 , 03:05 AM
Just cheer for the guy punching him in the face. EZ game.
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12-01-2013 , 07:12 AM
Is it just me or does Stevenson have a similar style to Mayweather (southpaw obv), has his front shoulder so far out in front of his body. Just makes him so hard to hit. Dude is in his mid 30s now so wants the big payday so can't really blame him. The obv fight is Kovalev but that isn't going to be a money spinner as opposed to others.
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12-01-2013 , 08:10 AM
There isn't a fighter in the world that fights like Mayweather, I get what you are saying but this is a relatively new look for Adonis maybe he is trying to imitate parts of Mayweather's game (never a bad idea) in regard to counterpunching but... functionally they have different approaches as to why they leave the left hand low, Stevenson does it because it allows him to lead with his left with massive velocity unlike Mayweather who keeps it down and tight only striking via counterpunch.
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12-01-2013 , 09:33 AM
Some random thoughts. Fights I'd like to see soon.

Stevenson vs. Kovalev (would be rooting for Kovalev after reading news here)

GGG vs. another aggressive A-list fighter (there are so many weight classes I'm sure somebody could come down a bit or go up a bit)

Rios vs. Provodnikov (I think this could be a good fight)

I wish boxing had some type of board that put fights together instead of it all being run by the promoters. Don King was terrible in his day.

Tyson called him reptilian & in his B-way show talks about how King used to wave those little American flags around & say what a great country it is.....but he has a big tatoo on his ass that says made in China.

Now we have Arum. What a terrible PPV card he put together in China. If I remember correctly.....not even ONE fight on the card was competitive. People want to see good competitive fights.....not fight after fight where one guy easily beats the other.

Arum is in it to pocket as much cash as possible for himself & screw the fans.

Also - they should have the weigh-ins a couple of hours before the fights. That was a terrible rule change in the 80's.

And of course the never ending problem with boxing judges who are just terrible at their jobs.....it is just amazing to see how they score some of the fights.

I could list other fights I'd like to see....but this post is long enough already.
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