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11-08-2013 , 05:53 PM
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Originally Posted by JayTeeMe
- Mago came within a hair's breadth of winning the 11th and 12th rounds. There was no point that he was done or fighting scared. What? He broke his hand after the second round. You also ignored everything I wrote about him consistently asking about his injuries throughout the rounds.

- I remember watching the fight and thinking that his face must really hurt but he wasn't going out of his way to protect it and was totally willing the exchange with Perez. Tough SOB. It's a shame because i totally would have followed his career from here. As stated, difficult to protect your face with a broken hand. Tough SOB? Absolutely. That's exactly why someone else needed to be looking out for him.

- As to whether you think he was acting strange, keep in mind that his corner guys know him way better than you do. Obviously not. Something was clearly wrong, as I stated during the fight.

- It's not clear that stopping the fight at any point changes what later happened from happening. Absolutely incorrect. With a brain bleed or any type of subarachnoid hemorrhage the last thing you want to do is apply pressure to it (especially in the form of a heavyweight's fist). It will cause the clot to worsen which leads to suffocation of oxygen on the brain.

- The desire to have someone to blame for a tragedy like this is rooted in feeling guilty about enjoying the fight imo. It's based in wanting to believe that boxing can be safe if only "those guys" hadn't screwed up. Boxing is inherently dangerous. I'm not trying to blame anyone to make myself feel better. I called it during the fight well before the final outcome was known. And just because boxing is inherently dangerous doesn't mean steps can't be taken to lessen adverse results. My point was there was a clear opportunity to act and it was never even considered. The fighter was also never even asked how he was doing or whether he wanted to continue. I can find you many quotes by experts who agree with me on this.

Really sad that his health is in jeopardy and his career is over. 18-1 with 18 KOs and a heart the size of the ring. I do plan on shipping a few $$ once they get his charitable trust set up.
See the bolded. Also, the notion that "it was a close fight" has nothing to do with whether the decision to stop the fight should be made. I gave a specific example with the Provodnikov v. Bradley fight on that issue which was completely ignored.
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11-08-2013 , 06:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Banned4lyfe
Robert wanted Donaire to work out with Ariza but nothing ended up happening.

Maidana working with Ariza for dec.
I see. Donaire needs to let Ariza work his magic.

I like the Garcia/Ariza combo. Fighters might actually lose weight properly for once and have some definition going into the fight!

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I'm stoked for the fights tomorrow. I think Vanes could still be a player at 154. Don't know much about Andrade but I'm hearing good things. I think Donaire and Mikey dominate. Looking forward to see how they look at their new divisions, respectively.
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11-09-2013 , 02:51 AM
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Originally Posted by CheckDaQuads
See the bolded. Also, the notion that "it was a close fight" has nothing to do with whether the decision to stop the fight should be made. I gave a specific example with the Provodnikov v. Bradley fight on that issue which was completely ignored.
Well, your bolded points are not good. How can you know that his corner never thought about stopping the fight? You can't. How can you know that his corner never asked him how he was doing? You can't. How can you know that his corner never asked him if he wanted to continue? You can't. And if they asked him and he said absolutely he wanted to continue then what? They get credit for asking? Or they're even worse for leaving it in the hands of a fighter with so much heart? How on earth are you giving Provodnikov's corner credit for "thinking about" stopping a fight? They didn't stop the fight. If Ruslan had had a stroke after the fight it'd be the same thing.

How can you know that the clot and bleed wouldn't have happened if they had stopped the fight after the 8th round? 9th round? 10th round? 11th round? Right before the last punch he took in the 12th round? You can't.
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11-09-2013 , 12:39 PM
Well, we'll never agree I guess so I'll let it go. And like I said, I respect your opinion.
I was right so that's good enough for me.
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11-09-2013 , 12:46 PM
Kelly Pavlic comeback???????
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11-09-2013 , 01:04 PM
Wouldn't surprise me. He's only 31. Not a whole lot going on in Youngstown and he's still young enough to get back into it.
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11-09-2013 , 03:13 PM
Garcia should school Martinez tonight. In his last fight, Rocky was outboxed for a lot of the fight by a weaker punching, inferior opponent. Garcia should be faster and stronger than that guy was. Rocky also seems to just stand there waiting to be hit.

I put a small amount of money on Donaire tonight at -891.
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11-09-2013 , 03:41 PM
Yea I don't even think this is a particularly compelling main event. Rocky is semi entertaining but completely outclassed if you ask me. He arguably lost his last two fights iirc
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11-09-2013 , 03:55 PM
Really enjoy pavlik. I remember reading about the headaches that he has and that forced him to retire (at least partially). They sounded pretty nasty.
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11-09-2013 , 06:36 PM
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Originally Posted by ChicagoRy
Garcia should school Martinez tonight. In his last fight, Rocky was outboxed for a lot of the fight by a weaker punching, inferior opponent. Garcia should be faster and stronger than that guy was. Rocky also seems to just stand there waiting to be hit.

I put a small amount of money on Donaire tonight at -891.
I put down a hefty amount on Donaire. Should be a very easy fight for him.

Also agree that Mikey should cruise. He's one of the most complete fighters in boxing. It will be interesting to see how his power is against bigger fighters. I highly doubt it will be an issue.
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11-09-2013 , 06:54 PM
Is Amir Khan really going to get a shot at Mayweather?

I know it has been mooted for quite a while but I've seen some recent articles insisting that it's almost a done deal. A couple of years ago I thought this might make for an interesting fight but Khan doesn't deserve a shot and imo Mayweather doesn't have >5 fights left in his career and I'd like to see him in with a guy that could, y'know, actually beat him.
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11-09-2013 , 07:59 PM
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Originally Posted by The Moocher
Is Amir Khan really going to get a shot at Mayweather?

I know it has been mooted for quite a while but I've seen some recent articles insisting that it's almost a done deal. A couple of years ago I thought this might make for an interesting fight but Khan doesn't deserve a shot and imo Mayweather doesn't have >5 fights left in his career and I'd like to see him in with a guy that could, y'know, actually beat him.
Theres a pretty good upside for Mayweather since it should draw good PPV numbers. Khan still has a lot of fans. I guess that and Mayweather actually has a shot to get a KO.
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11-09-2013 , 08:27 PM
Oh I think it's great financially for everyone involved but Khan doesn't deserve the fight, it's not that I'm some Mayweather hater and want to see him lose but at the minimum I'd like to see him get punched pretty hard in the face at least once before he retires for good.
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11-09-2013 , 09:35 PM
At this point (especially with the feud) it comes down to money I think. There's nobody on GB that deserves a shot at Floyd really. I mean, Garcia could, but I think both Garcia's camp and Floyd's (and GB) would want to wait until Garcia builds himself up a little bit more/gets closer to 147lbs.

So other than Garcia, who could fight Floyd from GB at 140-154?

I'd still want to see Khan vs Alexander first, since Khan's resume is razor thin, but it is what it is I guess.

Just a sign of Floyd's dominance + the stupid feud. Manny or Bradley would work, Provo with another big win would also work. Nothing outside of Garcia approaches those 3 fights at 140-147 (and honestly don't expect anything except clear Mayweather wins).

The fact that we're talking about GGG or Martinez vs Floyd at 154-160 is kind of evidence enough of where we're at lol.
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11-09-2013 , 09:59 PM
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Originally Posted by SuperUberBob
Wouldn't surprise me. He's only 31. Not a whole lot going on in Youngstown and he's still young enough to get back into it.
Would be sick. I know hes got abit of a drinking problem thats held him back.
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11-09-2013 , 10:01 PM
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Originally Posted by ChicagoRy
At this point (especially with the feud) it comes down to money I think. There's nobody on GB that deserves a shot at Floyd really. I mean, Garcia could, but I think both Garcia's camp and Floyd's (and GB) would want to wait until Garcia builds himself up a little bit more/gets closer to 147lbs.

So other than Garcia, who could fight Floyd from GB at 140-154?

I'd still want to see Khan vs Alexander first, since Khan's resume is razor thin, but it is what it is I guess.

Just a sign of Floyd's dominance + the stupid feud. Manny or Bradley would work, Provo with another big win would also work. Nothing outside of Garcia approaches those 3 fights at 140-147 (and honestly don't expect anything except clear Mayweather wins).

The fact that we're talking about GGG or Martinez vs Floyd at 154-160 is kind of evidence enough of where we're at lol.
Completely agree with this post.

Fans (including me) are asking floyd to challenge himself b/c he makes it look so easy. The only challenge is to handicap himself by fighting bigger guys with longer reaches, etc. I agree, that DG is not ready at this point. TR offers better fights for floyd but they won't happen.

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I think khan would be competitive for a few rounds, just because of his hand speed and style. It's been a while since fmj fought a guy with faster hands (Judah fight?). That intrigues me, but the fact that khan has no chin takes a lot of steam off of the fight for me. Fmj has underrated power and will likely ko him in the mid to late rounds. Khan probably sells more tickets/ppv than anyone else at this point.

Khan should have stayed with Roach. I don't like his progress under Hunter. He should have accepted the DG ko and rebuilt himself.
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11-09-2013 , 10:24 PM
Valdez looked really good. It's not like his opponent wasn't game either. Interested to see where he's at in a year or two.
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11-09-2013 , 11:34 PM
Man that fight started so good, but got really boring fast.
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11-09-2013 , 11:35 PM
Anyone catch Martisoyan v Andrade?



Spoiler:
115-112 Martisoyan, 114-113 Andrade, and 117-110 Andrade


lol

Nonito coming up
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11-09-2013 , 11:37 PM
Fights in texas are always lol.

It adds such a great entertainment factor. Never know wtf is going to happen.
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11-10-2013 , 12:00 AM
Donaire not looking too good...

wow... crazy end to round four.
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11-10-2013 , 12:04 AM
Not really liking the way Donaire is fighting. Vic looks like he's there to be hit but Donaire hasn't really nailed him yet.
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11-10-2013 , 12:05 AM
This could be a candidate for foty. So good so far. So tense.

Vic kind of exposing donaire. Rigo might have ruined him.
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11-10-2013 , 12:16 AM
Hopefully loljudges bail me out on Donaire.

I don't see anything like FOTY, it's interesting though. Did Donaire train with Chavez Jr. on the lead up to this one?
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11-10-2013 , 12:18 AM
There it is...
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