Still with the insults huh? You just cannot stop yourself can you?

Its ironic because so far youve called me an idiot, dumb and now are implying Im not an adult. When you are coming across as childish, arrogant and not the smartest.

Lets leave it because you have no answers...

I guess the problem is listening to two guys like you two talk about boxing ...

Kinda hurts to be honest,what is you say is so bad and so wrong.Obviously I should just laugh,but I know better and try and teach people like you and put them right.But that is hard to do via a forum

There are plenty of subjects on boxing that can be just a matter of opinion and there are other subjects that are just fact.

A good e.g is another one of your silly comments about Ricky Burns,lol.I know Ricky and it is not as simple as what you just said.Again I don't expect you to understand how I do ,but it can be very frustrating listening to the nonsense that comes out of your mouth

Let me give a e.g of the different level we are on when it comes to boxing ...

The other day I was in the gym with a good basic kid who needs to go to the next level.So i started teaching him to hook of a dummy jab...reasoning being is lots of boxers at the lower and even higher level parry the jab ...so you throw and few slow jabs ,then you throw fake jab.You just dip your jab as if you was going to throw it ,then hook of it...the boxer in front of you 9/10 times will reach to parry the jab and you land a hook

Here is RJJ doing the above ...(10.21 in to the footage)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=va-YF7eZS9U

If you are being honest with yourself there is no way you saw that in real time,even in slow motion i bet you would not even see it or understand it .

The above is a 0.01% example of how I look at boxing ,please do not think you are on my level .I see that in real time ,and 10 times more when I study it etc etc

demetri, you may know a lot about boxing but you are coming across as a bit of a prick. Who are you anyway, would we recognise your name?

A prick cause I am correcting people ???

You correct someone the polite way ,you try a few times.Then they start being rude ,you then may sound like a "prick" there after

Please read how the posts played out,i react bad to a bad reaction.You will never see me be the first person to be rude...e.g you called me a prick ,if i saw you in real life i would knock you out.So i would look like a prick ,but what people would not see is you called me a prick without me being rude to you at all..

Same problem i had with the other guy

If I said in real life that you were "coming across as a bit of a prick" you would knock me out?? You didn't answer my question but the man behind the name demetri1978 has to be Scott Harrison.

Thats the crux of the issue right there. You, for some reason seem to think that we think we know better than you. No-one has ever said that, I dont know where you are getting it from, maybe you are mistaking people having an opinion with people thinking they are better than you. Much like you are confusing someone not having expert boxing knowledge with someone who is dumb or an idiot.

All I was saying was that you having experience in the sport doesnt mean that I(or anyone else) am not allowed to disagree with your opinion.

Please show me where I was rude, I almost choked when I read that!


FWIW, even if I saw you knock someone out and I saw him call you a prick first, I would still label you as the bad guy in that scenario, DUCY?

All of a sudden this looks more like a threat than it did before...

Of course ,lol...where i am from that would be pretty standard ,but in saying that i do not think many would just shake your hand after calling them a prick

Scott Harrison,lol...you made me smile ,i found that funny.I am from London.I did not turn pro,most of my friends did.But boxing is the kinda sport where the rich are very rich and the poor are very poor.

So i carried on with boxing on the side but also needed to make money,so I focused on that.In my view I could of had shot at British titles etc ,but a doubt i would of gone near world level.(but i will never know)

So many turn pro on bad deals,or they do it half hearted.Big mistake ,95% fail that way(Unless your name is Bernard) and end up a lot worst of .I knew that and did not fancy going down that route

Look at Hattons first 10 fights...(unreal ,first 10 fights they all had more losses than wins)

http://boxrec.com/list_bouts.php?hum...9314&cat=boxer

I swear I had friends that where better than him when he and they turned pro,but my friends where fighting guys with unbeaten records etc etc

One of my top boxers I use to love growing up was James Toney .He had the same problem a lot of my firends had when turning pro.Not a big ticket seller and no real big history before pro boxing

Look at his first 10-15 fights vs Hatton ...(unreal ah)

http://boxrec.com/list_bouts.php?hum...1437&cat=boxer

But because of how amazing he was he over came that and still went onto to become one of the best.Just shows how good he was .

My friend who has now turned into a journey man (he won't admit it)fought the other day in London and did not even get paid.

De La Hoya got $250k for his pro debut ,my same friend above got £500(But Oscar had around 250 amateur fights with only 6 losses .I can't stress how AMAZING that is!!!)

If you guys are going to fight, please let us know so we can attend and watch.

Overall i think it's funny to call Broner a hypejob when sadly most fighters coming out of UK nowadays is just that. (and if anyone call me a prick for typing that i'll beat you up at Golovkins next fight!)
We'll see though. Broner is probably my least favorite fighter and person in boxing except for Margarito but he's going to pitch a shutout and probably stop Rees after dishing out a lot of punishment.

I think it takes some of the tougher guys at 140 to truly test Broner. Give him Mathysse or Rios.

Im amazed at all this ..

You dont sound like a boxing pugilist demetri ..you sound like a common thug or bully.

For someone thats " apparently " been in the sport for 25+ years ... you dont quite come across as someone to look upto or aspire to....especially if you have trained kids etc.

I cannot believe some of this has stemmed from the fact i dont think Broner is all that.

I mean ... christ !! ... its not like its cast in stone that hes going to be a great is it ?

Which UK boxing forums do you post in demetri ??

Toneys biggest problem was his moms bakery. No really. She actually owned a bakery.



He's one of the most natural fighters i've ever seen though. It was a pleasure to see him in his day slipping punches and dishing it out.
A mean SOB too. There's some sparring videos out there where he assault his opponent both physically and verbally.

found it

Amazing when you look back at pictures like this ...

http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/9...048-toney1.jpg

I am pretty sure his diet was always horrible ,even back then.But as you get older the bad food really takes its toll

From what I remember he hated bag work ,pads etc etc .All the normal training boxers do .I remember him saying "what is the point of hitting a bag, it don't hit back".He would just spar loads

Really bad example for kids ,but worked for him cause of how good he was.Would not work for most

I am a massive Broner and Mayweather fan in the ring ,but outside the ring I can't stand them on T.V

But I did meet Mayweather as a fan when he thought Oscar and he was so nice to me ,so maybe it is all for T.V idk

This clip is so so so wrong ...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KvGWg21Ik40

Is it a USA thing ?...cause I will never get it ,the amount of boxing fans that are poor and really struggle and these two just burn money and rub it in peoples faces .I will never get it

Also Broner did a interview for U.K T.V recently and he was super nice ,very humble etc etc .

So hard to know what the real deal is with them.I know people that are well connected in Vegas and they say Mayweather is burning around 250-500k per week on sports betting etc

He fought Marquez cause he was about to go bankrupt .Safe to say Floyd will end up broke

Just a matter of interest who are you talking about when you say hyped up British fighters?

When you said about Toney being bad in sparring I thought you meant this one at the wild card.He taunts Green most of the way through the spar ,breaks his nose etc etc ...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rz6yLRNpzwQ

Unless you was a big boxing fan in the U.K this would be the first time you saw and heard James Toney ...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j0lpEmsxjHk

I watched this live and will never forget it ,lol

The guys that are touted for contendership and will fail to deliver. Those whose fame is greater than their skill. Those that built themselves up domestically against shot former stars and mediocre fighters.

Right now i think Kell Brook, Nathan Cleverly and Fury will absolutely not deliver when they fight the best. When George Groves fights guys like Froch, Kessler or Ward he will get schooled.

Price is already talked about as the heir of Klitschko, yet he has not beat anyone. I'm not going to pick on him though as he's one of my favorite prospects coming up and believe in him.

David Hayes quality of wins does not in any way match his fame, position in boxing or his earnings. Same with Khan though there's a potential there so i can see the allure.

What I'm saying basically is that UK is a proud and historically strong boxing nation but today they have none that could be victorious at the highest level. They get built up by Frank Warren and the likes and will lose against the true elite.
Maybe Ricky Burns could become the man at lightweight if Broner moves up? But that's a weak weightclass. Weak as hell.

As such, Broner and the way he's going to be carried by Haymon and HBO is no different than the model of UK fighters getting brought up.


Fwiw, Kell Brook will beat Devon Alexander because Devon is a mentally weak hypejob himself.

mmmmmmmmmmmmmm,well I kinda get what you are saying.

But Brook is not really that well known here in the U.K and is not really hyped up.He is hyped up to become a world champion,which you said above he will do.So there and then you have to believe the hype

Brook has not been hyped for anything more than that.If he has I must have missed it.Might I add i think it is a close fight and it will be 50/50 if he wins.

Tyson Fury ,yeah that is a hype job .What I said above about Brook goes for Cleverly to .Again the hype is he will become world champion and I think he can do it.

Groves is another hype job ,but to be fair you have to look far and wide to find anyone that is hyping him up that much.tbh i don't recall anyone saying he is going to win a world title

Haye lived up to his hype ,won world titles at his true weight (crusier)and was a top 5 Heavyweight who won a world title.I don't recall anyone saying he would do any more .

Price I love ,inside the ring and out.I think with the state of the division he has a shot.Khan is the real deal ,again I don't think anyone is saying he will be great ,but he can win titles at different weights.Offence he is top 3 pound for pound ,defense top 3 pound for pound worst

Hype is what T.V and we make it and most of it is about right here in the u.k .

In the past we have been very of ,Naseem was meant to be the next Mayweather

Broner is a hypejob to a certain extent. He is clearly very good which leads to some people going overboard and the inevitable backlash against that. Just like every other well known fighter he is both underrated and overrated at the same time by two different groups.

I'm not sure why you're bringing a nationalistic angle to it. Yes, in the UK there are a lot of fighters who are built up to be more than they seem by their promoter, just like in every other country. We realise this and I think it's obvious reading this thread that there is a lot of hate towards those that we don't consider to be the "real deal" such as Haye, Cleverly, Fury etc.

Yes and we happily criticise both.

Where are you from by the way? You don't seem American.

From somewhere in Europe.

The nationalistic angle was due to a poster from UK speculated on the chances of a UK fighters chances against someone he labeled overrated. Since i think most notable fighters from UK today is more famous than they deserve given their skill i tossed that opinion out there.

Not saying there's anything wrong with people from UK or fighters from UK. I quite often root for them against da Americans.

Broner has not proved his worth yet. He could be overrated or underrated. I have no idea. He's certainly not tested, as is the case with most of the fighters i mentioned in a post above except for Haye and Khan.

Cliffs: I don't care for analysis concluding someone is a hypejob when nothing about their abilities haven given indications of glaring weaknesses. Rees is going to do well or surprise us because Broner is a hypejob?
Guys like Demarco is better than anyone Rees has beaten and in my opinion better than Rees himself.

It's whatever.

What you said above is not exactly what i said.

Posters said that Rees would be blown away and that this was a total mismatch because Broner is either that good or Rees is that bad.

Well neither is true imo, Broner is not all that yet and Rees is better than beyond rubbish.

That was my whole point .. im not underrating Broner as a mere hypejob and overrating Rees as someone brilliant.

But there needs to be some perspective given about both fighters at this time.

The tone of demitri's posts last night where out of order imo ... normally im used to knowledgeable posters on boxing forums acting and posting in a certain way ..

At least .. thats my experience on UK boxing forums anwyay ..maybe its different when you throw in a boxing thread in a poker forum.

ooh Mr. Mysterious. I'm guessing Germany.


Yeah I agree with all that.

You'd be wrong. Im from sweden, the home of zero top ten fighters.

Does that mean you have to support your fellow Nordic brothers like Kessler and Helenius?

Love Kessler, not so much Helenius.
If a Swedish fighter comes along im sure to fanatically cheer for him.