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Old 06-10-2012, 01:28 PM   #8151
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Re: SE Boxing Thread (still waiting for PBF v. Pac)

yea its amazing how you think the fact that you could give bradley rounds 9-12 is some sort of smoking gun for justifying a decision where you need bradley to win 7 rounds and you completely ignore the link i posted and keep repeating things like "manny didnt do anything past round 5" when really his best rounds were 5-8

i cant respond anymore to this the trolling is working well on me
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Old 06-10-2012, 01:38 PM   #8152
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if you watch rounds 9-12, i would say manny didn't win any of those rounds. bradley didn't win them either necessarily. there were at least 5 or 6 rounds that could have gone either way, which makes the decision no worse than the giftS manny received versus marquez.

this was no enormous highway robbery. a bad decision perhaps, but not an all-time robbery.

harabolos tweeted that a lot of late money went on bradley - so either they knew the fix was in, or, like i just saw when re-watching rounds 9-12 - manny did NOTHING in those rounds.
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well, harabolos tweeted that a lot of late money went on bradley, so that was either because they knew the fix was in, or they saw the late rounds more objectively than i and most other people did.

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You are really just discrediting yourself by continuing to post this in multiple threads.You realize he was talking about the closing line right? Something that is set before the event starts, I hope you don't really assume that the "late money" means guys where betting on Bradley once they started seeing Manny coasting through the later rounds.
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Old 06-10-2012, 01:41 PM   #8153
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Re: SE Boxing Thread (still waiting for PBF v. Pac)

http://compuboxonline.com/compubox-s...w-12-pacquaio/

These stats tell the same story I saw. Bradley threw a lot of jabs as he played a defensive fight moving backwards. Most of those jabs were blocked by Pacmans arms. Packman kept Bradley moving back by landing power punches to his head.

Even the rounds that Bradley kept close by moving away and not attacking. Manny still landed the bigger blows and held the momentum. Manny landed more power punches in every round but 10. They tied in that round.

I have no problem with a defensive fight. Some of the greatest fights ever, have been won with a defensive strategy. Think "rope a dope". This was not one of those great defensive strategies though. This was Bradley trying to fight Manny. Manny out punching him with solid left handed blows to the head. Once Bradley figured out (after 8 rounds of punishment) he could not out fight Manny. He just kept backing up. Trying to keep from getting knocked out. He never turned the tables and brought the fight back to Manny.

The one thing I will give Bradley is he landed some solid body blows in the early rounds. I believe they had an effect on Manny and are what kept Bradley from getting destroyed in the later rounds.

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Old 06-10-2012, 01:55 PM   #8154
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Re: SE Boxing Thread (still waiting for PBF v. Pac)

Fun thought: Floyd is kind of in a bind here.

-He almost has to admit what everyone else saw or risk getting a ton of "Oh, you" stuff going his way (then again, maybe he'll just say "Manny lost, he sucks" trying to build a more hater-friendly imagine).

-His reaction will be very telling as to whether or not he really wants the fight. RJJ had a good set of comments saying basically if Floyd really wanted the fight, he'd never have let Manny fight Bradley without objecting heavily (since Bradley was a risk, lol @ that for several reasons).
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Old 06-10-2012, 02:11 PM   #8155
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Re: SE Boxing Thread (still waiting for PBF v. Pac)

I hoped Canelo could now sneak in to kick manny's ass. i hate that they gotta do this rematch in November.
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Old 06-10-2012, 02:37 PM   #8156
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Re: SE Boxing Thread (still waiting for PBF v. Pac)

Overturn Judges Decision Regarding Pacquiao - Bradley Bout

http://www.change.org/petitions/the-...o-bradley-bout
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Old 06-10-2012, 02:46 PM   #8157
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Re: SE Boxing Thread (still waiting for PBF v. Pac)

im not saying pacquiao didn't win the fight. he clearly won. but it wasn't a robbery greater than what we've seen in the past. marquez said he had the fight 8-4. so pacquiao clearly did slow late. why didn't he finish bradley?
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Old 06-10-2012, 03:10 PM   #8158
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Pretty awesome interview



claims he would rather have a 4th fight with Marquez (in Mexico) than Bradley.
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Old 06-10-2012, 03:11 PM   #8159
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Is it feasible for Pacquio to refuse to fight in Vegas and/or fire Arum?

I have new respect for Pacquio. He is taking the defeat as humble as possible. If this happened to Mayweather he would probably make stupid accusations of racism and sue.
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Old 06-10-2012, 03:49 PM   #8160
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Re: SE Boxing Thread (still waiting for PBF v. Pac)

Some more fun quotes:

"I have best eye doctor in the world," Arum said. "Let's get them on a plane, fly to Los Angeles and I'll pay for their visit."

Arum's a douche but assuming this was just incompetence and not a fix (Occam's Razor I guess), like this quote a ton.

"Don't blame that on Timothy," Diaz said. "He went out and fought. That's what he did. They had three judges to score it. I thought he won the fight. I wasn't scoring it, because I was watching the fight, but he won it in my mind. No doubt. But it's not his fault what the judges said."

So you thought he won the fight but we shouldn't blame the judges. If your guy won what is there to blame anyone for.

Feel bad for Bradley, he got lit up and even his camp knows it. Not an enviable position to be in.

"Don't be discouraged about boxing," Pacquiao said. "There's always next time."

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im not saying pacquiao didn't win the fight. he clearly won. but it wasn't a robbery greater than what we've seen in the past. marquez said he had the fight 8-4. so pacquiao clearly did slow late. why didn't he finish bradley?
Why didn't Bradley finish Pac since it was a close fight he should have tried to secure the victory. Oh wait maybe because even in the slow Manny rounds (9-12 according to all your posts) Bradleys corner was no longer giving instructions instead were counting down the rounds for a moral victory.
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Old 06-10-2012, 05:48 PM   #8162
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No boxer in history has ever said "I'll have to rewatch the tape and see if I won the fight", it's as close to "I'm sorry, this fight was fixed" as we'll get.
After the first Louis-Walcott fight Louis immediately left the ring, had to be dragged back for the decision, and then told a weeping Walcott "I'm sorry". Walcott's manager had vague mob connections, had bet 100K at 10-1 on Walcott.

Didn't watch last night, but that & Whitaker's loss to Ramirez and draw with Chavez prolly the ones that rank with it, tho there have been plenty of other stinkers, and of course there's amateur boxing...and gymnastics, skating, basketball, etc. At least all three judges had it 7-5, none of this 10-2 Hagler-Leonard stuff.

Roth is 81, Ford is 84. Here's some history for you. Both Roth & Ford worked the Holmes-Cooney fight. After 12 rounds (Holmes won in the 13th) Cooney had had 3 points deducted for low blows (LOL no DQ, racist rig), and was knocked down in the 2nd. Ford and the other judge had Holmes ahead by only two points, while Roth had Holmes ahead by six.
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Old 06-10-2012, 06:00 PM   #8163
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"I'm going to make a lot of money on the rematch, but this was outrageous," Arum said.

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Arum complaining about this is like Stalin saying Auschwitz was outrageous.
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Old 06-10-2012, 06:09 PM   #8164
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Re: SE Boxing Thread (still waiting for PBF v. Pac)

Rewatched the fight.

Pacquiao could have done more in the rounds 10, 11, and 12 (the rounds where the judges gave to Bradley)... he even said he took rounds off and "relaxed", but Bradley did NOTHING in those rounds either. Pac outlanded Bradley in rounds 11 and 12 and 10 was even. In fact, Pacquiao outlanded Bradley in every round except two: Round 9 (26 landed for Bradley to 25 for Pac) and Round 10 (even). Not only was Pacquiao out landing him, he undoubtedly was landing the cleaner and harder punches.

Oh well... I really hope Manny doesn't rematch Bradley in November. There's no point. Bradley wasn't even close to winning. I'd much rather see Pac-JMM 4, and that's saying a lot because I am not really excited for that fight either.... lol boxing.

Here's the compubox round by round for those interested:
http://compuboxonline.com/compubox-s...w-12-pacquaio/
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Old 06-10-2012, 06:40 PM   #8165
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Would be great if Manny and the entire boxing world just ignored this and moved on. P4P rankings don't change and the next fight is either Manny/JMM IV or Manny/Floyd
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Old 06-10-2012, 06:47 PM   #8166
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Re: SE Boxing Thread (still waiting for PBF v. Pac)

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"Don't be discouraged about boxing," Pacquiao said. "There's always next time."

Class act
I agree 100% that Manny is a class act and this is in no way directed at him, but this is exactly what these crooks want. They create the controversy, where there really is none. Manny won that fight and won it handily,imo but now they will rob another $65 plus x 5 million for a rematch to watch Manny do the same thing to this chump again. Not my money ,but people who love boxing can't stay away. Boxing is a ****ing disgrace and the crooks like Arum, King, et al should be locked the **** up.
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Old 06-10-2012, 08:02 PM   #8167
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Anyone who spends a cent for Pac-Bradley 2 or one second watching it deserves to be ripped off.
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Old 06-10-2012, 08:22 PM   #8168
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http://www.nytimes.com/2012/06/10/sp...pagewanted=all


I was steaming reading this fight recap from the times ..I thought it was a legitimate newspaper..no mention of compubox stats and just a hilarious portrayal of the fight

I mean really Bradley's "powerful right hand was repeatedly there through the last six rounds"..so absurd. Where is this narrative that Bradley won last six rounds coming from Manny completely destroyed him in seven and eight

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Old 06-10-2012, 09:19 PM   #8169
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Completely destroyed? Thats a bit much. There wasnt even a knockdown.

Manny shoulda gotten the w obv but he didn't demolish bradley
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Old 06-10-2012, 09:33 PM   #8170
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Completely destroyed? Thats a bit much. There wasnt even a knockdown.

Manny shoulda gotten the w obv but he didn't demolish bradley
Hyperbole(like I said I don't think there was a ten eight round)..but he beat Bradley bad in seven and won eight clearly. He didn't destroy Bradley's face or anything but he landed almost twice as many punches..that is a dominant fight
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Old 06-10-2012, 10:07 PM   #8171
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Nevada State Athletic Commission Executive Director Keith Kizer said he does not anticipate any discipline or review of Ross or Ford.

"Every fighter who loses a close fight looks at the judges".

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Old 06-10-2012, 10:11 PM   #8172
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http://sports.yahoo.com/news/boxing-...gOFQbphfmUxLYF

One of the judges talks in that link. I'm curious if someone you guys with footage could go back and look for the things he says he saw after round 6.
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Old 06-10-2012, 10:33 PM   #8173
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I feel like the notion that Bradley was more aggressive comes from nothing more than the fact that he was constantl throwing a bunch of jabs in a row that were not even intended to hit Manny..the 88 more punches Bradley threw were all made up of thealmost 200 more jabs he threw..and yet Manny still landed more jabs and way more power punches. And Bradley was backing up in he later rounds so he wasn't aggressive in that sense. I will never understand this decision
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Old 06-10-2012, 10:57 PM   #8174
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Re: SE Boxing Thread (still waiting for PBF v. Pac)

Any chance Manny pissed off the judges by making everyone wait forever while he disappeared God knows where?
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Old 06-10-2012, 11:31 PM   #8175
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Re: SE Boxing Thread (still waiting for PBF v. Pac)

While playing at a ring game at the Rio, one of the locals was talking that the line went from +380 to +300 a few hours before the fight and there was some heavy betting from the West coast.

He was "advised" by his big sport betting friend that there was good money to be made that night on Bradley. Of course, all of this hearsay and I am sure there is plenty of BS but I know about who he was talking about and he is a 6 to 7 figure bettor.

Circumstantial hearsay does look suspect.
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