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Old 06-10-2012, 10:25 AM   #8126
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Re: SE Boxing Thread (still waiting for PBF v. Pac)

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The problem there is the the Manny/JMM III was scored correctly 7-5 Manny.
I highly disagree
highly? theres no way you can highly disagree unless youre ridiculously biased. pac/marq 3 was a close fight and no matter who your pick is, you should easily be able to see the case where the judges could viably score rounds for the other guy.

not really the case here
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Old 06-10-2012, 10:54 AM   #8127
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Re: SE Boxing Thread (still waiting for PBF v. Pac)

so theory which i was listening on espn

Pacman is soon to be ending his contract with bob arum. The MP vs FM fight was never going to actually happen so now Arum needs some one he can still make his mirrions on so 39-0 TB looked promising and a win over Manny would project him to star satus.
Make more money off the rematch and make more money off a FM vs TB fight.

and wala you have last night.
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Old 06-10-2012, 10:55 AM   #8128
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can't wait for manny to KO bradley in a rematch and put an end to that. then promptly retire after the fight.
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Old 06-10-2012, 11:17 AM   #8129
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can't wait for manny to KO bradley in a rematch and put an end to that. then promptly retire after the fight.


Boxing tho
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Old 06-10-2012, 11:45 AM   #8130
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Re: SE Boxing Thread (still waiting for PBF v. Pac)

interestingly, i re-watched rounds 9-12, and pacquiao really didn't do anything in these rounds believe it or not. he really didn't. it is not inconcievable at all that rounds 9-12 could have been legitimately scored for bradley, because they were close.

watch for yourself..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V9eNrYCaU5s
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=En1TVP0uX3o&feature=plcp

pacquaio basically let up in these rounds. i haven't re-watched rounds 1-8 yet, but certainly rounds 9-12 were not won convincingly by pacquiao at all.
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Old 06-10-2012, 12:12 PM   #8131
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Re: SE Boxing Thread (still waiting for PBF v. Pac)

^^^^^^^

Personally, I had it 117-111 Pacquiao (Bradley winning 1st, 11th, 12th round). But there were about 5 rounds which conceivably could've been scored either way.

The decision was a joke, but 115-113 Pacquiao or 116-112 Pacquiao is a very conceivable score.
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Old 06-10-2012, 12:18 PM   #8132
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Just watched ESPN's highlights of the fight.

All they showed of the action in the ring was Bradley throwing body blows.

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Old 06-10-2012, 12:28 PM   #8133
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so theory which i was listening on espn

Pacman is soon to be ending his contract with bob arum. The MP vs FM fight was never going to actually happen so now Arum needs some one he can still make his mirrions on so 39-0 TB looked promising and a win over Manny would project him to star satus.
Make more money off the rematch and make more money off a FM vs TB fight.

and wala you have last night.
This theory (or one like it) makes the most sense tbh and doesn't require any of the fighters to be in on it.

Arum knows PBF v Manny won't happen, Manny is getting old and has other things on his plate, so he creates a 3 fight series with Bradley before Manny leaves Arum and likely the sport.

Post fight, Manny knew he won but just continued being Manny ("I tried my best, I guess my best wasn't good enough") and Tim admitted without admitting that he knew he lost the fight as did his corner. Arum fakes indignation and begins planning for November.

The only thing I don't understand is how someone, even a powerful guy like Arum, could possibly influence all THREE judges. Boxing judges after all being the most incorruptible people on the planet.

I won't buy the rematch but I imagine most will, so maybe it's not a horrible plan.
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Old 06-10-2012, 12:28 PM   #8134
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Just watched ESPN's highlights of the fight.

All they showed of the action in the ring was Bradley throwing body blows.

That is because thats all he landed through out most of the fight....I do not remember mannys head moving from a bradley punch the entire fight.

I would guess Manny's arms are sore from blocking all those punches though.
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Old 06-10-2012, 12:39 PM   #8135
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I guess my point is that if your employees are saying Pac got jobbed, why not show Pac hitting Bradley a few times?

Right after the Bradley body blow highlight, a few people, including Atlas, basically said the fix was in.

Any casual viewers might be genuinely puzzled since they just saw Bradley "beat up" Pac.
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Old 06-10-2012, 12:39 PM   #8136
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I would guess Manny's arms are sore from blocking all those punches though.
Bradley's face is likely sore for the opposite reason...
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Old 06-10-2012, 12:40 PM   #8137
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I guess my point is that if your employees are saying Pac got jobbed, why not show Pac hitting Bradley a few times?

Right after the Bradley body blow highlight, a few people, including Atlas, basically said the fix was in.

Any casual viewers might be genuinely puzzled since they just saw Bradley "beat up" Pac.
Ok so first we find out Boxing is corrupt, and now you're telling me ESPN might be horrible at its job too.

I'm not sure how much more of this I can take
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Old 06-10-2012, 12:41 PM   #8139
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^^^^^^^

Personally, I had it 117-111 Pacquiao (Bradley winning 1st, 11th, 12th round). But there were about 5 rounds which conceivably could've been scored either way.

The decision was a joke, but 115-113 Pacquiao or 116-112 Pacquiao is a very conceivable score.
as far as i can tell you can give bradley round 1 and rounds 9-12 (i personally think manny won all those rounds except for 9..or maybe it was 10, i forgot..9-12 were legitimately close) if you really wanna give bradley every single round that is even relatively close...but there is no way you can convince me that bradley has an argument at all to any other round, manny easily won every other round..pacquiao completely dominated rounds 3-8..I guess you could argue bradley won round 2 if you just base it on stats but manny certainly won it in my book i dont think it was that close.

THE JUDGES GAVE BRADLEY ROUNDS 5, 7, 8

bradley didnt land more punches than manny IN ANY ROUND..there is just no ****ing way anyone with two eyes could give bradley rounds 3-8...no ****ing way. In the most rigged crazy scenario i could conceivably come up with the fight was a draw..but that would have been the worst scorecard ever I thought. But no they came up with even worse scorecards. Just hilarious

http://compuboxonline.com/compubox-s...w-12-pacquaio/


edit- bradley landed one more punch than manny in round 9..thats it and thats the only round i gave to bradley when i was watching the fight

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Old 06-10-2012, 12:44 PM   #8140
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The thing that makes this all even debatable (and not by much) is that so many people are saying "I gave Bradley two rounds: X and Y" and X and Y have been about 6 different round thus far.

Some gave Bradley 1, others 2, and still others gave some combination of 9-12.

It's so many deviations away from the mean for a judge to have awarded 7 to Bradley though it's beyond variance.
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Old 06-10-2012, 12:47 PM   #8141
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Re: SE Boxing Thread (still waiting for PBF v. Pac)

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I guess my point is that if your employees are saying Pac got jobbed, why not show Pac hitting Bradley a few times?

Right after the Bradley body blow highlight, a few people, including Atlas, basically said the fix was in.

Any casual viewers might be genuinely puzzled since they just saw Bradley "beat up" Pac.
Aren't they only given a certain amount of highlights from HBO to show? I've noticed with boxing PPV highlights on ESPN or local news sports segments that they play clips that mostly show nothing, even when there is not controversy.
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Old 06-10-2012, 12:53 PM   #8142
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Still Teddy Atlas LDO
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Old 06-10-2012, 12:55 PM   #8143
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actually round 11 wasnt even that close according to the stats bradley landed 6 power punches to manny's 15 so i dont even think you can give bradley 9-12..i haven't rewatched it though. But like I said i gave manny all those rounds except for 9
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Old 06-10-2012, 01:01 PM   #8144
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Re: SE Boxing Thread (still waiting for PBF v. Pac)

has anyone gone back and re-watched the whole fight? i re-watched rounds 9-12, and manny did NOTHING in those rounds. NOTHING.

i think everyone was biased after the first 4 rounds, which manny won convincingly. but after round 5, what did manny really do? certainly nothing in the last 4 rounds.

basically, i'm saying this jobbing wasn't as bad as everyone is making it out if they go back and watch the fight. certainly not any worse than the giftS manny has received for his fights with marquez.
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Old 06-10-2012, 01:05 PM   #8145
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has anyone gone back and re-watched the whole fight? i re-watched rounds 9-12, and manny did NOTHING in those rounds. NOTHING.

i think everyone was biased after the first 4 rounds, which manny won convincingly. but after round 5, what did manny really do? certainly nothing in the last 4 rounds.

basically, i'm saying this jobbing wasn't as bad as everyone is making it out if they go back and watch the fight. certainly not any worse than the giftS manny has received for his fights with marquez.
I definitely think sometimes it's easy for the casual observer to get lulled into a "well he didn't do anything to win that round" mentality rather than a "who won that round" mentality in a fight where neither fighter really was close to going down.
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Old 06-10-2012, 01:06 PM   #8146
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has anyone gone back and re-watched the whole fight? i re-watched rounds 9-12, and manny did NOTHING in those rounds. NOTHING.
Wrong

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i think everyone was biased after the first 4 rounds, which manny won convincingly. but after round 5, what did manny really do? certainly nothing in the last 4 rounds.
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basically, i'm saying this jobbing wasn't as bad as everyone is making it out if they go back and watch the fight. certainly not any worse than the giftS manny has received for his fights with marquez.
So very, very wrong.
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wow you conveniently didnt watch rounds 1-8 where manny won every single round except maybe 1

HERP DERP

are you floyd mayweather? is this real life?
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Old 06-10-2012, 01:12 PM   #8148
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I definitely think sometimes it's easy for the casual observer to get lulled into a "well he didn't do anything to win that round" mentality rather than a "who won that round" mentality in a fight where neither fighter really was close to going down.
if you watch rounds 9-12, i would say manny didn't win any of those rounds. bradley didn't win them either necessarily. there were at least 5 or 6 rounds that could have gone either way, which makes the decision no worse than the giftS manny received versus marquez.

this was no enormous highway robbery. a bad decision perhaps, but not an all-time robbery.

harabolos tweeted that a lot of late money went on bradley - so either they knew the fix was in, or, like i just saw when re-watching rounds 9-12 - manny did NOTHING in those rounds.
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Old 06-10-2012, 01:16 PM   #8149
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Wrong



Wrong



So very, very wrong.
nice support for your points.

i posted the links to rounds 9-12 earlier in this thread. let me know at what points in each round manny landed good shots.
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Old 06-10-2012, 01:22 PM   #8150
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nice support for your points.

i posted the links to rounds 9-12 earlier in this thread. let me know at what points in each round manny landed good shots.
The thing is, even if you think Manny did NOTHING (which is wrong, he outpunched Bradley in 3 of those rounds I think) it still doesn't justify the decision.

That's how bad this decision was. You and I could debate until we're blue in the keyboard about round 9-12 but that still wouldn't give Bradley the fight.
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