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Old 01-11-2010, 08:55 AM   #676
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In MMA, big names actually fight and it's actually not boring to watch.
In all likelihood, this is a "give it time" statement.
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Old 01-11-2010, 09:21 PM   #677
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In all likelihood, this is a "give it time" statement.
I totally agree.
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Old 01-12-2010, 06:33 AM   #678
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Floyd Gayweather a girl though
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Old 01-14-2010, 02:42 AM   #679
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Old 01-14-2010, 02:54 AM   #680
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how in the hell is pac man getting a pass in itt and mayweather is getting blasted when it was pac man who refused to take the tests ??

floyd was not asking pac man to do anything he was not willing to do himself. most itt dont like mayweather anyway and are just using the testing controversy to bash him when it was pac man who said "no, thats o.k"

they both would have had to take the tests. so, if for some miraculous reason pac man was put at a disadvantage because of the timing of the test, the method the test were give, the size of the needle or whatever. Floyd would of been put at the EXACT SAME disadvantage.

Imo, Pac man is just delaying the inevitable butt whopping that Floyd is eventually going to put on him. Manny made a huge mistake imo. I think the delay in the fight is going to allow Mayweather to get sharper. They should of fought with Floyd only having 1 fight in 2+ years.

Now, the longer it takes for them to fight the sharper Mayweather is going to get and the worse he is going to beat Pac Man. But, at least Pac Man will be richer. If he does not get beat 1st.
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Old 01-14-2010, 03:01 AM   #681
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how in the hell is pac man getting a pass in itt and mayweather is getting blasted when it was pac man who refused to take the tests ??

floyd was not asking pac man to do anything he was not willing to do himself. most itt dont like mayweather anyway and are just using the testing controversy to bash him when it was pac man who said "no, thats o.k"

they both would have had to take the tests. so, if for some miraculous reason pac man was put at a disadvantage because of the timing of the test, the method the test were give, the size of the needle or whatever. Floyd would of been put at the EXACT SAME disadvantage.

Imo, Pac man is just delaying the inevitable butt whopping that Floyd is eventually going to put on him. Manny made a huge mistake imo. I think the delay in the fight is going to allow Mayweather to get sharper. They should of fought with Floyd only having 1 fight in 2+ years.

Now, the longer it takes for them to fight the sharper Mayweather is going to get and the worse he is going to beat Pac Man. But, at least Pac Man will be richer. If he does not get beat 1st.

Why don't you, ya know, rtt first
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Old 01-14-2010, 03:13 AM   #682
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hahahaa so funny
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Old 01-14-2010, 08:17 PM   #683
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LOL, Floyd got so pissed when Baldomir was mentioned. Was so defensive after.
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Old 01-14-2010, 09:41 PM   #684
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Do this fight Mayweather!
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Old 01-15-2010, 05:15 PM   #685
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That or Mosley/Berto winner. Any other fight he'll be paid almost no money (relatively speaking) and would be awful for his legacy (if he gives a **** bout it)
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Old 01-15-2010, 05:21 PM   #686
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That or Mosley/Berto winner. Any other fight he'll be paid almost no money (relatively speaking) and would be awful for his legacy (if he gives a **** bout it)

never. there is NO upside to fighting paul williams. NO ONE knows who he is. the $ is not there. makes absolutely no sense whatso ever. beating the crap out of paul williams is not going to enhance mayweather's legacy 1 iota.

a victory over paul williams is nothing. plus, how many fans is paul williams putting in the seat outside of his immediate family. terrible idea.
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Old 01-15-2010, 05:34 PM   #687
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never. there is NO upside to fighting paul williams. NO ONE knows who he is. the $ is not there. makes absolutely no sense whatso ever. beating the crap out of paul williams is not going to enhance mayweather's legacy 1 iota.

a victory over paul williams is nothing. plus, how many fans is paul williams putting in the seat outside of his immediate family. terrible idea.
1. There are many people within the boxing community (not just the general public) who will not watch Mayweather on PPV unless he fights Pacquiao, Berto-Mosley winner, or Paul Williams. Seriously. If he fights someone else besides those 3 and it's on PPV, Mayweather will make like no money relatively speaking.

2. Paul Williams has fought on HBO a lot. He's considered to be top 10 p4p by most people.

3. HBO will not help promote (24-7 show) or involve itself in Mayweather's next fight if it's not a competitive fight. Outside Pacquiao, Berto-Mosley winner, or Paul Williams, there's no logical/competitive fight out there for Mayweather currently.
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Old 01-15-2010, 06:00 PM   #688
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never. there is NO upside to fighting paul williams. NO ONE knows who he is. the $ is not there. makes absolutely no sense whatso ever. beating the crap out of paul williams is not going to enhance mayweather's legacy 1 iota.

a victory over paul williams is nothing. plus, how many fans is paul williams putting in the seat outside of his immediate family. terrible idea.
Aside Pac, or Mosley/Berto winner, who is a better, more intriguing opponent for Mayweather than Paul Williams?
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Old 01-15-2010, 06:41 PM   #689
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I doubt Mayweather takes that fight honestly. Paul is bigger than him, and Floyd has been picking on smaller, zero risk opponents his last couple of fights. He fought OLDH who was heavier than him, but ODLH was old and declining, and was a huge massive draw and made floyd a lot of money.

Williams is bigger than him, extremely good (top ten p4p), and not a draw. I think zero chance Floyd takes this fight.
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Old 01-15-2010, 07:19 PM   #690
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I can't fault a man for wanting to get paid and make a legacy, but Mayweather is taking to loltard extremes
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Old 01-15-2010, 10:14 PM   #691
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I can't fault a man for wanting to get paid and make a legacy, but Mayweather is taking to loltard extremes
Know what the best way to "get paid and make a legacy" is?

FIGHT PACQUIAO!
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Old 01-15-2010, 10:49 PM   #692
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I think Williams would be a a good fight for Mayweather, but I know he'd never take it. Too much risk for little money. But you can count on Mayweather to use every excuse in the book why Williams would be no match, so there'd be no reason to fight him.
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Old 01-15-2010, 11:03 PM   #693
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I think Williams would be a a good fight for Mayweather, but I know he'd never take it. Too much risk for little money. But you can count on Mayweather to use every excuse in the book why Williams would be no match, so there'd be no reason to fight him.
because Ricky Hatton and Paulie Malignaggi are where the real challenges are at, obv.
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Old 01-15-2010, 11:20 PM   #694
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imo Mayweather is very short-sighted in his perception on who the best boxer of all-time is. History will see that he is one of the few boxing championships to have an undefeated record throughout his career. But history won't forget all of these acts and him dodging elite fighters in an attempt to keep that record. Marciano was undefeated, but he didn't go around ducking boxers to keep it that way.

I wouldn't be surprised to see Mayweather fight Moseley in the future. Only thing is that he'd be doing it while Moseley is pushing 40 and is out of his prime.
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Old 01-15-2010, 11:39 PM   #695
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u think theres more young (under 18) boxing talent being developed>mma?


Most people who do wrestling or any singular mixed martial art I would classify as potential "mma talent" btw.
That's a real shaky definition. You could theoretically lump all boxers into "potential MMA talent."

I think you underestimate how ubiquitous boxing is worldwide. MMA is big in areas with some sort of wrestling/judo/kickboxing culture - the US, Japan/Korea, Brazil. That's really the only areas of the world that MMA could be classified as a big deal. Boxing has a long, long history in many more diverse areas around the globe.

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In MMA, big names actually fight and it's actually not boring to watch.
Emelianenko-Couture, Emelianenko-Lesnar, Faber-Yamamoto, Penn-Aoki

The promotional model makes it easier to pit contracted fighters against each other, but don't act like MMA's free of this **** either.
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In MMA, big names... in the same organization... actually fight
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You know I've done some thinking and I wonder how big of a deal boxing is to Mayweather.

Maybe he doesn't want to fight the big names because he wants to keep his face pretty for starring in movies or something like that.

Or maybe not. I don't know. Just brainstorming.
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You know I've done some thinking and I wonder how big of a deal boxing is to Mayweather.

Maybe he doesn't want to fight the big names because he wants to keep his face pretty for starring in movies or something like that.

Or maybe not. I don't know. Just brainstorming.
Ya...He takes boxing very seriously. I mean he was bred/trained from birth to do this. And it's a habit you can't just stop. He has a reputation that he has a terrific work ethic and trains very hard.

Having said that, he's seemed to make it a priority in his career to "not get hit". I think his obsession with not getting hit limits his performances a lot and limits his potential dominance (if he wanted to put his body/face at risk).
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Old 01-16-2010, 01:30 PM   #699
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You know I've done some thinking and I wonder how big of a deal boxing is to Mayweather.

Maybe he doesn't want to fight the big names because he wants to keep his face pretty for starring in movies or something like that.

Or maybe not. I don't know. Just brainstorming.
There may be some truth to him being afraid to see his 0 go. When he fought at lighter weights, like against Castillo or Corrales, he was fighting the best at the weight class. As he moved up, he's picked his opponents more carefully. Maybe as his body has filled up, he's no longer willing to take on all comers.

This is where I see the losses as a benefit for Pacquiao. I think the KO losses early on, and his decision loss to Pacquiao has made him a more complete fighter. He learned things in his fights against Marquez as well.

Unfortunately, I believe the general public overvalues undefeated records in any sport. It's just more prominent in a fighting sport. It's a shame, but it's reality I guess.
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That's a real shaky definition. You could theoretically lump all boxers into "potential MMA talent."

I think you underestimate how ubiquitous boxing is worldwide. MMA is big in areas with some sort of wrestling/judo/kickboxing culture - the US, Japan/Korea, Brazil. That's really the only areas of the world that MMA could be classified as a big deal. Boxing has a long, long history in many more diverse areas around the globe.



Emelianenko-Couture, Emelianenko-Lesnar, Faber-Yamamoto, Penn-Aoki

The promotional model makes it easier to pit contracted fighters against each other, but don't act like MMA's free of this **** either.
For sure! If MMA was different from boxing in this sense, you would have seen Lesnar- Emelianenko already. Sometimes I think people believe UFC = MMA. That's probably why Yahoo went back to a UFC link instead of the MMA one they had before. If you refer to UFC, of course you're gonna believe the match ups are always good, that's what Dana White wants you to believe.
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