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Old 01-13-2012, 10:17 PM   #6801
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At what point during the week did you get sick of hearing that ******* song?
which one, ole ole ole or Engerland Engerland Engerland

didn't get sick of anything except no sleep, too much drink/drugs and a 8 hour flight delay when my hangover was kicking in

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Old 01-13-2012, 10:20 PM   #6802
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According to Dan Rafael, the guarantee for Mayweather's last five fights has come from GBP.
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Old 01-13-2012, 10:21 PM   #6803
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I was thinking of the "walking along, singing a song, walking in a Hatton wonderland" one, but "Engerland Engerland Engerland" might be worse.
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"I don't want to fight nobody else but him. Nobody! I want him. I don't want to fight Cotto. Not Canelo. And I ain't looking to fight Marquez a second time. Nobody! I want him! I only want one person, Pacquiao. ... Why is he duckin' and dodgin' me? ... Like I said before, May 5th, sure, it could be Cotto, or it could be Canelo, but I don't want to fight them. I don't want to fight nobody but one person, Manny Pacquiao."
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Anyone want to hazard a guess as to why PBF has taken such an odd reversal?
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Old 01-13-2012, 10:25 PM   #6806
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Anyone want to hazard a guess as to why PBF has taken such an odd reversal?
JMM 3?
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Old 01-13-2012, 10:27 PM   #6807
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Old 01-13-2012, 10:30 PM   #6808
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If you watched Mayweather interviews regularly in the couple of years prior to JMM3, you#ll notice that Floyd has repeatedly said he'll fight Fanny Faguiao, so long as he takes the tests.

Now it's looking like Floyd would smash him with or without steroids.
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Old 01-13-2012, 10:31 PM   #6809
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ye mostly jmm3, but hes also saying he fought Ortiz (south paw) to prepare for Pac. Who knows if thats true, but I'm convinced he wants to fight him, and hes been calling him out since before the Ortiz fight.
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If you watched Mayweather interviews regularly in the couple of years prior to JMM3, you#ll notice that Floyd has repeatedly said he'll fight Fanny Faguiao, so long as he takes the tests.

Now it's looking like Floyd would smash him with or without steroids.
"Fanny Faguiao" is my favorite part, but the steroids stuff is a close second.

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ye mostly jmm3, but hes also saying he fought Ortiz (south paw) to prepare for Pac. Who knows if thats true, but I'm convinced he wants to fight him, and hes been calling him out since before the Ortiz fight.
Sure but even if we trust him on all that (...) it's still funny he went from outrageous demands to watching Pac get exposed as either 1)Not as good as we thought, 2)No longer interested in boxing or 3)Both and now he's gung-ho about fighting him.
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Old 01-13-2012, 10:35 PM   #6811
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Floyd Gayweather, Fanny Faguiao - what is it with boxing fans and silly homophobic insults?
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Old 01-13-2012, 10:36 PM   #6812
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i don't see whats so outrageous about blood tests. it's up to Manny if he wants to agree to it, but it's no worse a demand than asking for million dollar weight penalties.

he offered 14 days cutoff as a compromise but Pacquiao wanted 21 days. Pacquiao was the one that walked away from the negotiations to sign to fight Clottey.
After the Mosley fight Floyd said there will be no compromise. All of a sudden Manny agrees to 14-days cutoff. Whatever.

"the outrageous demands" are still there.


I'd also say Pacquiao never got exposed against JMM. He looked basically the same as hes always done against him except for being slower and older. Jmm just showed us Pacquiao has not evolved.
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Old 01-13-2012, 10:38 PM   #6813
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Sure but even if we trust him on all that (...) it's still funny he went from outrageous demands to watching Pac get exposed as either 1)Not as good as we thought, 2)No longer interested in boxing or 3)Both and now he's gung-ho about fighting him.
3, Floyd's last few fight have been about maintaining his 0 by draining Oscar, pumping Hatton up and coming in heavy v a little guy(?). no way he takes this fight unless he is certain he wins.
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Old 01-13-2012, 10:41 PM   #6814
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i don't see whats so outrageous about blood tests. it's up to Manny if he wants to agree to it, but it's no worse a demand than asking for million dollar weight penalties.

he offered 14 days cutoff as a compromise but Pacquiao wanted 21 days. Pacquiao was the one that walked away from the negotiations to sign to fight Clottey.
After the Mosley fight Floyd said there will be no compromise. All of a sudden Manny agrees to 14-days cutoff. Whatever.

"the outrageous demands" are still there.
Don't make us go over all this again. Floyd had his entire career to be a crusader for drug testing in boxing and mysteriously waited until his biggest fight to pipe up about it.

The dude was scared, Manny represented the only challenge to his record in recent memory and unfortunately for Floyd, everyone knew it. Even boxing novices were starting to clamor for it. He stayed duckin'. Floyd was on the defensive then, he quietly accepted Manny's resistance to his demands and moved on.

Now that Manny no longer represents a real threat, he's all over demanding the fight. Floyd gonna Floyd.

More interesting, what's the line now? Floyd -200?
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Old 01-13-2012, 10:42 PM   #6815
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I'd also say Pacquiao never got exposed against JMM. He looked basically the same as hes always done against him except for being slower and older. Jmm just showed us Pacquiao has not evolved.
So I guess he exposed the fact that he has not evolved? I strongly believe that Mayweather wanted no part of Pacquiao after the scary thing he did to Hatton and Cotto.
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3, Floyd's last few fight have been about maintaining his 0, draining Oscar, pumping Hatton up and coming in heavy v a little guy. no way he takes this fight unless he is certain he wins.
Draining Oscar by fighting him for Oscars title at 154lbs? Explain yourself.

Pumping Hatton up? Fine. But Hatton is a bigger guy than Floyd regardless. There was a public demand for him fighting Hatton as well i might add.

Fighting a little guy. Sure. That fight was a joke.

Other than that he fought Mosley when Mosley was regarded as the #1 welterweight, a guy that Pacquiao avoided. We can play revisionists all we want, but Floyd deserves props for that fight.

He then fought Ortiz who impressively beat Berto to become #3 welterweight in the world. It was the best fight he could take.
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Old 01-13-2012, 10:45 PM   #6817
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Yeah there are very few wins from anybody that can't be picked apart with hindsight.
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Old 01-13-2012, 10:50 PM   #6818
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Draining Oscar by fighting him for Oscars title at 154lbs? Explain yourself.

Pumping Hatton up? Fine. But Hatton is a bigger guy than Floyd regardless. There was a public demand for him fighting Hatton as well i might add.

Fighting a little guy. Sure. That fight was a joke.

Other than that he fought Mosley when Mosley was regarded as the #1 welterweight, a guy that Pacquiao avoided. We can play revisionists all we want, but Floyd deserves props for that fight.

He then fought Ortiz who impressively beat Berto to become #3 welterweight in the world. It was the best fight he could take.
Oscar was fighting at middleweight 2 fights before that and if you don't think Oscar was drained/out on his feet from the start i'd guess you are in a crowd of 1.

Hatton may be naturally bigger (lol Guinness) but he was useless above light-welter and his coach told me as much straight after the fight.

the little guy, cmon to ****. he weighed in how much over? should have cost him his purse.

Ortiz, lol.

i just think he looks for every angle in his favour, not that i blame him but i would prefer him not to and to just show us that he is actually the best alive without resorting to any ****.
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Don't make us go over all this again. Floyd had his entire career to be a crusader for drug testing in boxing and mysteriously waited until his biggest fight to pipe up about it.
The biggest fights usually are the hardest to negotiate. That should be obvious?

I think your problem is thinking Floyd is sincere about wanting to clean the sport up. Hes not. He wants to be fairly certain hes getting a fair shake.

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Yeah, that is your opinion. I'd say Pac walked away from the negotiations despite being offered a very fair compromise.

And would you not agree that Manny is currently the one avoiding the fight? Is he scared?

By quietly accepting Mannys resistance = going on ESPN and offer a 14-day cutoff compromise, then yeah. That was quiet.

I couldn't give a damn about what boxing novices think. They're boxing novices for a reason. I wouldn't expect them to be accurate on their assessments when their basis of such is what ESPN and other mainstream media feeds them.

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Now that Manny no longer represents a real threat, he's all over demanding the fight. Floyd gonna Floyd.
Did he represent a real threat before the JMM fight? Because Floyd publicly stated in interviews he wanted to fight Pacquiao after the Ortiz fight. Should we just ignore that?

Pacquiao is still the same fighter, hes just not as easily hyped now that it's obvious his destruction of Hatton and the likes were more due to style than evolution.

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Yea probably.

Used to be -150?

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So I guess he exposed the fact that he has not evolved? I strongly believe that Mayweather wanted no part of Pacquiao after the scary thing he did to Hatton and Cotto.
Yep, but I'm not sure why we would think he had evolved? Because Roach said so?
He's bordering on 30 years old with almost 50 fights in the bag. Hes not going to evolve at some ******ed rate within a year.

With that said, i still thought he would steamroll Marquez based on how horrible Marquez looked against Floyd and in parts vs Katsidis and Diaz aswell. I thought he was done.
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Old 01-13-2012, 10:57 PM   #6820
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Because Floyd publicly stated in interviews he wanted to fight Pacquiao after the Ortiz fight. Should we just ignore that?
They have both been saying they wanted to fight each other for a couple of years now which is why I was surprised by the amazement over this tweet.
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Oscar was fighting at middleweight 2 fights before that and if you don't think Oscar was drained/out on his feet from the start i'd guess you are in a crowd of 1.
Are you confusing Floyd vs. Oscar with Pac vs. Oscar?
I don't get how you could even remotely believe what you're saying?

Oscar looked like DOG**** against both Hopkins and Sturm. He very clearly lost both fights. (Oh not to mention, he made Hopkins fight at a catchweight of 156lbs)

Oscar was never a middleweight. He looked like a beached whale against Sturm.
He then moved to 154 and crushed Mayorga before facing Mayweather.
He was in NO way drained.

Against Pac on the other hand, yeah he was. But i take it you're not mixing these two up?

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Yeah, but he fought a very small welterweight who weighed less than almost any ww on fight night. So it's basically an even fight in terms of size.

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the little guy, cmon to ****. he weighed in how much over? should have cost him his purse.
2lbs i believe. Over a catchweight. Has happened to Manny as well (as i feel this is a floyd vs manny debate unfortunately)
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They have both been saying they wanted to fight each other for a couple of years now which is why I was surprised by the amazement over this tweet.
There's a difference between what Floyd did and politely say "yes i will fight anyone" to local media. Just in my opinion.

The twitter comment is just a footnote.

Floyd is doing what he can in my opinion to get this fight done. Could he be bluffing? Maybe. But then he should be called on it. Until he is, Manny is the one that's seems to be ducking.
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Are you confusing Floyd vs. Oscar with Pac vs. Oscar?
I don't get how you could even remotely believe what you're saying?

Oscar looked like DOG**** against both Hopkins and Sturm. He very clearly lost both fights. (Oh not to mention, he made Hopkins fight at a catchweight of 156lbs)

Oscar was never a middleweight. He looked like a beached whale against Sturm.
He then moved to 154 and crushed Mayorga before facing Mayweather.
He was in NO way drained.

Against Pac on the other hand, yeah he was. But i take it you're not mixing these two up?


Yeah, but he fought a very small welterweight who weighed less than almost any ww on fight night. So it's basically an even fight in terms of size.


2lbs i believe. Over a catchweight. Has happened to Manny as well (as i feel this is a floyd vs manny debate unfortunately)
i was talking about Floyd, so whatever Oscar or Pac may have done doesn't matter.

i think Floyd is the best and he should not need to angle shoot anything, simple.

quite possible i am remembering the Floyd v Oscar thing wrong, i'll take your word for it

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Ok, but then you're just flat out wrong. In no way shape or form was Oscar drained or even had trouble making weight against Floyd.
He moved down prior to fighting Floyd. The only reason he ever left 154 was to fight Hopkins, and he did so by taking a gimme (not so gimme as it turned out) against Sturm and then fought Hopkins 2lbs over the 154 limit.

In a perfect world, Floyd takes all comers without regard for anything but his legacy. He doesn't. Same as with most people in this sport who makes a lot of money.
It's not like it used to be, for sure.
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The biggest fights usually are the hardest to negotiate. That should be obvious?
I'd imagine but that has nothing to do with anything.
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I think your problem is thinking Floyd is sincere about wanting to clean the sport up. Hes not. He wants to be fairly certain hes getting a fair shake.
That's great, show my why he should've suspected otherwise from Manny? There was no hint prior that Manny was juicing other than the fact he was really good.

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Yeah, that is your opinion. I'd say Pac walked away from the negotiations despite being offered a very fair compromise.
A fair compromise to an unfair/unreasonable/unnecessary request is immaterial

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And would you not agree that Manny is currently the one avoiding the fight? Is he scared?
Oh for sure. I have no idea what Manny wants, but I'm damn sure Arum doesn't want any part of ending his cash cow.

Personally, I think Manny wants to be President. He'd just gone a shocking 12 rounds in a fight many thought he didn't win and what are his first comments about? Returning to his homeland to work on congressional issues. Wait...wat

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By quietly accepting Mannys resistance = going on ESPN and offer a 14-day cutoff compromise, then yeah. That was quiet.
...and then giving up. He didn't do the things he's doing now then. He just went on with his career. That's all well and good but his behavior then and now doesn't pass the smell test.

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I couldn't give a damn about what boxing novices think. They're boxing novices for a reason. I wouldn't expect them to be accurate on their assessments when their basis of such is what ESPN and other mainstream media feeds them.
I'm not sure why that matters. I only said that everyone, even novices, wanted the fight. That pressure was the driving force.



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Used to be -150?
Does anyone here not load up on Floyd at -200?
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