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Old 01-10-2012, 05:22 PM   #6726
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Re: SE Boxing Thread (still waiting for PBF v. Pac)

if hes so keen to do it at a big stadium why dont they just hold it at..

wait for it..

a big stadium

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Old 01-10-2012, 05:25 PM   #6727
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Re: SE Boxing Thread (still waiting for PBF v. Pac)

Floyd doesn't want to fight in Dallas. In the first negotiations, Top Rank and Floyd's team was supposed to visit Cowboys stadium, but Floyd's people never even showed up.

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Also, I read an interview with Ellerbe yesterday and he was asked if they were willing to push the date back to late May to accommodate the building of the stadium. He said he's not going to answer that and Bob Arum would have to call him about it. Seems like there is a possibility that the date could be pushed back? I don't know...

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Old 01-10-2012, 05:30 PM   #6728
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Re: SE Boxing Thread (still waiting for PBF v. Pac)

Texas has the most horrible athletic commission of all time. Corruption run deep and they sparsely even tests their athletes for illegal substances.

Floyd never fights outside of Nevada since he became a ppv-attraction and made it his home, and It's never been a problem on pacs behalf. That is a non-issue. The talk about building stadiums and healing supercuts for 5 months has risen just this week.
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Old 01-10-2012, 05:39 PM   #6729
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Texas has the most horrible athletic commission of all time. Corruption run deep and they sparsely even tests their athletes for illegal substances.

Floyd never fights outside of Nevada since he became a ppv-attraction and made it his home, and It's never been a problem on pacs behalf. That is a non-issue. The talk about building stadiums and healing supercuts for 5 months has risen just this week.
Arum has talked about the stadium thing before, and already had conversation with the people at the Wynn about it. I don't think it should be thing that hold up the fight YET AGAIN. However, Bob is going to convince Manny that fighting Floyd in November is the optimal choice.

The cut thing is just BS. Even Manny says he's fine.
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Old 01-10-2012, 05:48 PM   #6730
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Re: SE Boxing Thread (still waiting for PBF v. Pac)

Ok so lets sign contracts NOW that make them fight in november? Seriously i would be happy with them fighting Guerrero/Peterson to collect free money if they just put it in writing they will stop ****ing around after that.

I'm sick of being played like a marionette.
Man up and fight or admit it won't happen.

Unfortunately i don't think this **** will be resolved until Pacquiao is pressured enough by the general public as to needing to do something about it or his image will be destroyed.

Probably won't happen as people don't even seem to blame him. They only blame his handlers.

And it's not like i as a fan can do much. I can't boycott their fights as that just hurt me more than them anyway.
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Old 01-10-2012, 05:51 PM   #6731
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Re: SE Boxing Thread (still waiting for PBF v. Pac)

i doubt pac cares too much about his image

and its pretty obv that mayweathers #1 outcome is for the fight to A) not happen & B) have the failure to make the fight be blamed on Pac
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Old 01-10-2012, 05:59 PM   #6732
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Re: SE Boxing Thread (still waiting for PBF v. Pac)

He cares enough to sue Mayweather for defamation. He also relies on being popular in his home country as his biggest goal is to become a president.

BASaint, please explain what you mean with the second part. Do you mean Mayweathers preferred outcome is a) +/or b)?
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Old 01-10-2012, 06:06 PM   #6733
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Re: SE Boxing Thread (still waiting for PBF v. Pac)

a + b

hes put so many little roadblocks in front of manny that i dont think he wants the fight. but the only way he can escape with pride/ego/legacy intact is if he can somehow pin the blame for a non-fight on manny.
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Old 01-10-2012, 06:08 PM   #6734
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Re: SE Boxing Thread (still waiting for PBF v. Pac)

Well hes doing a good job of making it seem like Manny is avoiding it, thats for sure.

Not sure what roadblocks hes put forth. The olympic style testing? Seems like it's a non-issue right now. Manny said he'd agree to it.
I guess going to jail is a roadblock.

I'd say theres a possiblity Floyd didn't want this fight previously. I'm not sure. Not convinced either way.
I have a hard time not thinking he wants it after the jmm fight, as it exposed Manny has the same exact flaws hes always had.

And since then Floyd has been quite vocal about fighting Manny.
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Old 01-10-2012, 06:14 PM   #6735
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Re: SE Boxing Thread (still waiting for PBF v. Pac)

u are obv more clued up on the situation than i am
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Old 01-10-2012, 06:22 PM   #6736
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Re: SE Boxing Thread (still waiting for PBF v. Pac)

I think Floyd wants to fight Manny, especially after the JMM fight. I think he was scared before... the OSDT, the "vacations", etc.

I think Manny wants the fight. OSDT and smaller purse are big concessions that he didn't have to do.

Now it's all about if Arum can convince Pacquiao to fight him in November as opposed to May.
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Old 01-11-2012, 12:19 AM   #6737
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Re: SE Boxing Thread (still waiting for PBF v. Pac)

It's morning in the Philippines, so I expect Team Pac to respond to Floyd's challenge soon. Here's the first response from Koncz:

http://www.abs-cbnnews.com/sports/01...ht-you-end-may

Koncz tells Floyd to be a his own boss and fight at the end of May. Pacquiao confirmed he is willing to fight at the end of May, but there are no actual quotes from him yet.

If Floyd is allowed to push the date back, then he should definitely do that.
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Old 01-11-2012, 02:26 AM   #6738
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Re: SE Boxing Thread (still waiting for PBF v. Pac)

Man, this seems almost make or break now. PBF is doing everything a man who wants the fight would do (we'll see once they talk contracts re: stipulations).

Ball's in Manny's court now, come out, say you want the fight, then you can talk about whether it's May 5th or 25th because that really shouldn't matter. There's zero chance Floyd can't buy another 30ish days on his jail sentence. This is America and at least for the time being, he's rich.

Total speculation but I'm guessing Floyd is more than willing to fight Manny after the JMM fight and I still feel like Manny needs to hang them up. He's at worst the #2 fighter in the world...but I just don't think he cares anymore.
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Old 01-11-2012, 08:21 AM   #6739
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Re: SE Boxing Thread (still waiting for PBF v. Pac)

I can't believe people are making this much fuss over a tweet!

Meanwhile Kell Brook's next opponent has been named as Matthew Hatton, how disappointing.
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Old 01-11-2012, 08:23 AM   #6740
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Re: SE Boxing Thread (still waiting for PBF v. Pac)

The fuss is about Pac vs Mayweather falling through once again apparently due to cyborg cuts and stadium constructions.

Oh cool, i guess we can cross Matthew Hatton off from Mayweathers alleged shortlist.
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Old 01-11-2012, 11:57 AM   #6741
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and its pretty obv that mayweathers #1 outcome is for the fight to A) not happen & B) have the failure to make the fight be blamed on Pac

this is the first thing i thought of as soon as i saw this bs "call out"

1. the news monday was that mayflowers opponent was already locked up and was gonna be announced friday

2. then tuesday floyd comes out on twitter calling out pac?

pac could accept today and itll still be too late since they are probably all set up
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Old 01-11-2012, 02:05 PM   #6742
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Re: SE Boxing Thread (still waiting for PBF v. Pac)

Pacquiao now says he wants 50-50 split

http://www.abs-cbnnews.com/sports/01...pt-50-50-split

That really shouldn't be a problem. That's how it should be, and what was agreed upon in the first negotiations.
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Old 01-11-2012, 02:47 PM   #6743
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Re: SE Boxing Thread (still waiting for PBF v. Pac)

50-50 is perfectly fair. If it collapses due to either guy demanding more than 50%, then that fighter is at fault. (i wouldn't be surprised if Floyd postures and says he deserves more, but if he don't agree to 50/50 in the end hes a ****ing moron)
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Old 01-11-2012, 03:06 PM   #6744
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Re: SE Boxing Thread (still waiting for PBF v. Pac)

my hate for mayweather would actually double if he demands more than 50/50
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Old 01-11-2012, 07:55 PM   #6745
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Re: SE Boxing Thread (still waiting for PBF v. Pac)

@danrafaelespn Dan Rafael
Spoke to Richard Schaefer about Ortiz. I jokingly asked if he's working on Floyd-Guerrero deal. He said Mayweather WON'T be facing Guerrero.
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Old 01-11-2012, 08:03 PM   #6746
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Re: SE Boxing Thread (still waiting for PBF v. Pac)

Does anyone know how many months before a big fight the announcement is usually made?
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Old 01-11-2012, 08:11 PM   #6747
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Re: SE Boxing Thread (still waiting for PBF v. Pac)

3-4 months prior for big fights.
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Old 01-11-2012, 08:31 PM   #6748
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It's funny with boxers when it comes it purse splits; you get the feeling that a lot of them would rather take 51% of $20 million than 50% of $25 million.
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Old 01-11-2012, 08:34 PM   #6749
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That's the same in all of society. People would rather make 50k/year if their neighbor made 40 than 60k if the neighbor made 70.
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Old 01-11-2012, 08:57 PM   #6750
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Re: SE Boxing Thread (still waiting for PBF v. Pac)

I wonder who will run out of money first, Floyd or Manny? They both seem like complete ******s but in separate ways.

Floyd seems to be addicted to gambling and throwing money around in nightclubs. His lawyers can't be cheap and I think that once the huge pay-days are gone it will be hard for him to change his lavish lifestyle given the kind of people he hangs around with.

Pacquiao seems like a child and I doubt he realises what is happening to his money at the moment. I suppose he has his political career to fall back on but I doubt that will have a happy ending.

The list of star boxers to maintain their wealth in later life is a short one and I doubt these two will be joining it.
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