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Old 01-07-2010, 04:41 PM   #601
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Ok, so I can't stand Mayweather as a person, and I think Pac is great, but I'm struggling to see who is more at fault here.

Mayweather made a request for drugs testing (which I assume he would be required for also) and Pac has refused. Surely any athelete competing in a contest of this magnitude would happily submit to testing? There's the excuse that taking blood made him weak before a previous fight, but they're not exactly taking a pint out of him. Can the amount of blood they take out of you for a test really make you that much weaker? I can't really see why Pac didn't just say "whatever, get on with it and get the fight sorted".
so do people actually think he is cycling some PED 30-days before the fight? isn't there an after-fight blood test to catch it anyway? why is it important that you can test more often than every 30 days?
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Old 01-07-2010, 04:46 PM   #602
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Ok, so I can't stand Mayweather as a person, and I think Pac is great, but I'm struggling to see who is more at fault here.

Mayweather made a request for drugs testing (which I assume he would be required for also) and Pac has refused. Surely any athelete competing in a contest of this magnitude would happily submit to testing? There's the excuse that taking blood made him weak before a previous fight, but they're not exactly taking a pint out of him. Can the amount of blood they take out of you for a test really make you that much weaker? I can't really see why Pac didn't just say "whatever, get on with it and get the fight sorted".
I fault Mayweather the most (although I think you can fault both sides) because at least Pac TRIED to compromise. He already agreed to unlimited urine tests and 3 blood tests (1 random), which is above and beyond what is required in the state of Nevada. He even shortened the window from 30 days to 24 days. However, Mayweather wouldn't compromise at all and flat out said no. It's my way or the highway.

As for Pac feeling weak, I think it's mostly psychological, but I understand him not agreeing to testing all the way up until fight night.

IMO, what Pac agreed to is a very reasonable offer and fair for both sides. I don't understand why testing needs to be done up until 24 hours before the fight. HGH won't help you when you only have a 2-3 week window. EPO can only be detected in urine. Any steroids would probably show up in the blood test after the fight. To me, Mayweather deserves most of the blame.
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Old 01-07-2010, 05:03 PM   #603
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Mayweather is such an epic *****.
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Old 01-07-2010, 05:48 PM   #604
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If Mayweather refuses to fight because Manny doesn't agree to his 1243249 extra drug tests that's going to go down as one of the biggest ***** moves in sports history. Manny's already agreed to random urine samples at any time pre or post fight, and blood at the kick off, 24 days out and after the fight. All of that is far above NSAC requirements.

Basically, Floyd is a *****.
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Old 01-07-2010, 06:06 PM   #605
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They are going to fight. Bob Arum is a liar. It is not Mayweather's fault. This is postering by Bob Arum.

The fight will happen this summer.
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Old 01-07-2010, 06:09 PM   #606
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The fight will happen in 2010. Arum can go **** his mother.
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Old 01-07-2010, 07:55 PM   #607
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Whats worse is Pac tried to compromise by agreeing to blood testing immediately after the fight. There are 0/zilch/nada PIDs that can be traced before a fight but not after. This whole political posturing is just reminding people why they hate boxing so much.
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Old 01-07-2010, 08:33 PM   #608
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Ok, so I can't stand Mayweather as a person, and I think Pac is great, but I'm struggling to see who is more at fault here.

Mayweather made a request for drugs testing (which I assume he would be required for also) and Pac has refused. Surely any athelete competing in a contest of this magnitude would happily submit to testing? There's the excuse that taking blood made him weak before a previous fight, but they're not exactly taking a pint out of him. Can the amount of blood they take out of you for a test really make you that much weaker? I can't really see why Pac didn't just say "whatever, get on with it and get the fight sorted".
It's more superstition than anything. Floyd "I'm a *****" Mayweather knows that Pacman has a real problem with having his blood drawn. Pac is convinced it makes him weaker. Does it physically? No probably not but in his mind it does.

It's like the other top fighter who insists on drinking his own urine leading up to the fight. No doctor in the world will tell you there is any benefit to it, but the guy believes it gives him extra strength or whatever. A lot of elite athletes have superstitions/routines that they hate to deviate from. Mayweather simply wants to toy with Pac and try to get him out of his comfort zone and Pac isn't going for his bull**** antics and I don't blame him.
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Old 01-07-2010, 08:35 PM   #609
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I don't get why Floyd is a ***** but Manny's ******ed irrational superstition is just completely excused.
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Old 01-07-2010, 08:51 PM   #610
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I don't get why Floyd is a ***** but Manny's ******ed irrational superstition is just completely excused.
B/c Manny has gone above and beyond anything the state of Nevada requires him to do for this fight as far as drug testing is concerned. In reality he could tell Floyd and his camp to **** themselves with all this extra BS regarding blood tests. He has already agreed to take tests he doesn't even have to take according the Nevada State Athletic Commission.

I'd be interested in seeing 1 other fighter that Mayweather has insisted agree to all this BS. I could be wrong and maybe he insists that all his opponents agree to this kind of testing but I doubt it.

IMO he's a little worried about this fight and he sees this as a chance to either get out of the fight or have Pac be affected mentally by having his blood drawn close to the fight.
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I don't get why Floyd is a ***** but Manny's ******ed irrational superstition is just completely excused.
Because Manny started out saying no way to blood tests or anything not standard. Then he said ok to random urine whenever. Then he said ok to blood testing at the kickoff and after the fights. Then he also added it's ok 30 days before. Then he continued to compromise and said it's ok 24 days before.

Mayweather refuses to budge. He's not even trying to compromise. Because he's a *****. He's never demanded any of this for any opponent ever before, and suddenly he needs all of this, no exceptions, no budging or compromising period. And Manny's never tested + or ever had any kind of controversy.

There's absolutely no possible drug that can be effectively used to enhance performance that can't be caught using unlimited urine and blood 24 days before and immediately after. Mayweather is an idiot and probably doesn't want this fight.
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Old 01-07-2010, 09:21 PM   #612
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I'd be interested in seeing 1 other fighter that Mayweather has insisted agree to all this BS. I could be wrong and maybe he insists that all his opponents agree to this kind of testing but I doubt it.
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Old 01-07-2010, 09:25 PM   #613
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Because Manny started out saying no way to blood tests or anything not standard. Then he said ok to random urine whenever. Then he said ok to blood testing at the kickoff and after the fights. Then he also added it's ok 30 days before. Then he continued to compromise and said it's ok 24 days before.

Mayweather refuses to budge. He's not even trying to compromise. Because he's a *****. He's never demanded any of this for any opponent ever before, and suddenly he needs all of this, no exceptions, no budging or compromising period. And Manny's never tested + or ever had any kind of controversy.

There's absolutely no possible drug that can be effectively used to enhance performance that can't be caught using unlimited urine and blood 24 days before and immediately after. Mayweather is an idiot and probably doesn't want this fight.
This is really what it comes down to. Can Floyd win this fight? Absolutely. But I think he sees it as enough of a risk against his legacy and his undefeated record that he really doesn't want it as much as he'd like the public to believe.
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Old 01-07-2010, 09:31 PM   #614
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If Mayweather demanded that he be allowed suck Manny's dick, would that be okay? If Manny declines, does that make him a lol homophobe and a freak. mayweather's request is just as asinine. He made an unprecedented request in the history of boxing and is trying to get people to think it isn't a ***** PR move. Its sadly working.
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Old 01-07-2010, 09:42 PM   #615
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I believe that Mayweather thought this was some great mind game that went too far. Larry Merchant said it best about how everything was set except that stupid olympic style testing. It sounds so fishy and stupid. FWIW, I 100% believe Pacquiao is clean.

If Mayweather wants Olympic style testing, he should go back and compete in the Olympics.
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Old 01-07-2010, 09:45 PM   #616
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There's absolutely no possible drug that can be effectively used to enhance performance that can't be caught using unlimited urine and blood 24 days before and immediately after. Mayweather is an idiot and probably doesn't want this fight.
This can not be said enough. He simply doesn't want to fight Pac. That's the only logical conclusion at this point.

Does anybody think that Mayweather has seen enough film on Pac that he has his doubts about his ability to beat him?
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Old 01-07-2010, 09:52 PM   #617
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"Throughout this whole process I have remained patient, but at this point I am thoroughly disgusted that Pacquiao and his representatives are trying to blame me for the fight not happening when clearly the blame is on them.

"First and foremost, not only do I want to fight Manny Pacquiao, I want to whip his punk ass.

"Before the mediation, my team proposed a 14-day, no blood testing window leading up to the fight. But it was rejected. I am still proposing the 14-day window but he is still unwilling to agree to it, even though this is obviously a fair compromise on my part as I wanted the testing to be up until the fight and he wanted a 30-day cut-off. The truth is he just doesn't want to take the tests.

"In my opinion it is Manny Pacquiao and his team who are denying the people a chance to see the biggest fight ever. I know the people will see through their smokescreens and lies. I am ready to fight and sign the contract. Manny needs to stop making his excuses, step up and fight."

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Old 01-07-2010, 10:50 PM   #618
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so do people actually think he is cycling some PED 30-days before the fight? isn't there an after-fight blood test to catch it anyway? why is it important that you can test more often than every 30 days?
different steroids have different time periods they stay within the system.

For instance synthetic testosterone will stay in the system for varying lengths of time depending on what it is attached to. One kind you would only need to inject once a week while another would need to be injected every other day to maintain increased levels.


So, yes, someone can take PED's and be tested a month before and directly after the fight and still test clean. They would just have to be very certain of the timeframe to get it out of the their system. He wouldn't be on the drug while fighting, but could use it to accomplish goals before the fight while training.


No testing procedure is full proof, especially if you know when you will be tested. You can only really make deterrents by taking that away.
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Old 01-07-2010, 10:50 PM   #619
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^ 14 days is a reasonable compromise, although I don't see the difference between 24 days and 14 days. If this fight doesn't happen because of a 10 day discrepancy than that is the biggest joke in the history of boxing.
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Old 01-07-2010, 10:58 PM   #620
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Oh, and Pac's next opponent will most likely be Joshua Clottey if the Mayweather fight can't be salvaged in the next couple days which would be a shame. Clottey is a good opponent tough.
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Floyd now calling Pac out, Floyd needs this money.

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Old 01-08-2010, 12:09 AM   #622
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Oh, and Pac's next opponent will most likely be Joshua Clottey if the Mayweather fight can't be salvaged in the next couple days which would be a shame. Clottey is a good opponent tough.
If this is true, it will be an interesting fight. Clottey's got a chin.
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Old 01-08-2010, 12:15 AM   #623
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The two most influential fighters in their prime and in the perfect situation to capitalize are calling a huge (20mil+ per fighter) off due to a minor testing issue is utterly ridiculous. This fight still has to go on. There is too much on the table for this to not happen.

Am I getting leveled or does this all seem like a FMM ploy to drum up more drama? (or as others have said, FMM is a gigantic *****, I still think he needs the $$$ too much)
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The two most influential fighters in their prime and in the perfect situation to capitalize are calling a huge (20mil+ per fighter) off due to a minor testing issue is utterly ridiculous. This fight still has to go on. There is too much on the table for this to not happen.

Am I getting leveled or does this all seem like a FMM ploy to drum up more drama? (or as others have said, FMM is a gigantic *****, I still think he needs the $$$ too much)
The correct abbreviation is PBF imo

Pretty Boy (*****) Floyd

Man I would love to punch him in the face.
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Old 01-08-2010, 01:36 AM   #625
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Eh, we all know who we mean when we abbreviate it. This could be the most influential fight for everyone in their 20s and late teens. I just can't see how this doesn't happen. It is too big to fail...everyone I talk to about this says they would do anything to see it, even if it meant ordering PPV by themselves, and most of these people have never paid for PPV boxing match in their life.
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