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Old 12-29-2009, 02:34 AM   #551
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Pacquiao weighed in at 144 on the night of the Marquez rematch. He then weighed 143 for Cotto, when the limit was 145, which strongly suggests he wasn't cutting much weight. He has probably put in about 5 lbs of muscle in the last couple of years. He looks pretty much the same.

Going back further, these weighins differ by two days short of six years.





That is just not that much muscle to put on. 18 lbs officially (that is ignoring any rehydration issues), in 6 years. That is 3 lbs a year, for a world class athlete, famous for training like a demon, starting from a skinny frame, going from age 24 to age 30.

Now, talking about comparisons, you used to have an Arturo Gatti avatar, right? Please correct me if I am wrong. In October 1997, he weighed in at 130 lbs. In March 2001, he weighed in at 146 lbs. So, he officially put on 16 lbs, in less than three and a half years! Do you suspect he did this naturally, or with 'help'?
People are ******ed. He looks like every ectomorph turned gym rat you know. super low bodyfat. i would never look at him and think "that guy must be on steroids" like i would a bodybuilder or NFL lineman. Its not like he's massive in size or something. PBF is a ******.
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Old 12-29-2009, 01:22 PM   #552
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Jesus you people are ignorant. This guy is dominating the best the sport has to offer like none other (not just beating them, winning 8-4 decisions etc....he's DESTROYING them).

Now, as much as I'd like to believe he did this in such a short time span from simply training hard, it's just unlikely in modern day sports. Does that mean he's definitely on PED's? No. Does that mean it's very likely? Yes. Do I think that it severely diminishes his accomplishments if he is in fact on peds? No.
Pacquiao would be a p4p all time great in my eyes PEDs or no PEDs.

I'm just telling it like it is even though none of you wanna hear it.


BTW, Floyd will beat Pacman in the ring PEDs or no PEDs and whoever amongst you pacquiao nuthuggers wants to bet pacman rake free with me, be my guest.
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Old 12-29-2009, 03:09 PM   #553
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People are ******ed. He looks like every ectomorph turned gym rat you know. super low bodyfat. i would never look at him and think "that guy must be on steroids" like i would a bodybuilder or NFL lineman. Its not like he's massive in size or something. PBF is a ******.
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Old 12-29-2009, 06:42 PM   #554
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Jesus you people are ignorant. This guy is dominating the best the sport has to offer like none other (not just beating them, winning 8-4 decisions etc....he's DESTROYING them).

Now, as much as I'd like to believe he did this in such a short time span from simply training hard, it's just unlikely in modern day sports. Does that mean he's definitely on PED's? No. Does that mean it's very likely? Yes. Do I think that it severely diminishes his accomplishments if he is in fact on peds? No.
Pacquiao would be a p4p all time great in my eyes PEDs or no PEDs.

I'm just telling it like it is even though none of you wanna hear it.


BTW, Floyd will beat Pacman in the ring PEDs or no PEDs and whoever amongst you pacquiao nuthuggers wants to bet pacman rake free with me, be my guest.
[ ] Pacquiao has gained any muscle mass in the last three years when he really accomplished the bulk of his incredible run.

I really don't see what's so hard to believe. He was a dominant lighter weight champ. Everybody and their brother knew he could easily beat David Diaz, who was a weak champ only 5 pounds from where he was fighting. ODLH in retrospect is old and had to cut so much water (IV marks in his arm in the ring) that he was super drained. Hatton is tailor made to get knocked out by a big puncher who's faster than he is. Hell, even Floyd knocked out Hatton and Floyd couldn't knock out a 130 pounder in his last fight. The Cotto fight was a one sided beatdown, maybe you think that's suspicious? He was a decent favorite going in.

None of these fights are like ZOMG suspicious. Manny hasn't gained any weight in the last 3 years. He beat everybody in front of him but in retrospect none of them stand out as ZOMG unbelievable. He was a favorite in every one of those fights except OLDH, and in retrospect he should have been a huge favorite given how old/slow/drained Oscar was.

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Old 12-29-2009, 06:54 PM   #555
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I haven't read this thread (I should have) but I doubt it's steroids that's the issue here but more "blood doping" in the form of different forms of EPO or the recently popular blood transfusions that can provide a great edge in endurance sports.

We don't know much about how common that's been in boxing but I remember at least one story about Shane Mosley saying he had used EPO.

With meaningless testing and certainly in fights with boxers and backers with lots of money at stake it would seem logical that it's something that's been explored more than people think.

Without following this story too closely I guess what I'm most surprised about is that it's done out in the open when really if you want things to go smoothly (very possible that Mayweather just don't want that) that it's something that should have been negotiated in non public just like many other things are in boxing. Even something like the judges but also size of ring, type of gloves, weigh in details etc etc
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Old 12-29-2009, 07:25 PM   #556
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God, can't believe that people who control this much money are so ******ed and the process is so absurd. Pacquiao is adamantly opposed to having blood drawn within 30 days of the fight. Oh, their is video of him having his blood drawn 14 days prior to the Hatton fight? He did not know that, I'll bring this to his attention. WTF?????????
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Old 12-30-2009, 09:39 AM   #557
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... what I'm most surprised about is that it's done out in the open when really if you want things to go smoothly (very possible that Mayweather just don't want that) that it's something that should have been negotiated in non public just like many other things are in boxing. Even something like the judges but also size of ring, type of gloves, weigh in details etc etc

I like this point.
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Old 12-30-2009, 10:06 AM   #558
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Jesus you people are ignorant. This guy is dominating the best the sport has to offer like none other (not just beating them, winning 8-4 decisions etc....he's DESTROYING them).

Now, as much as I'd like to believe he did this in such a short time span from simply training hard, it's just unlikely in modern day sports. Does that mean he's definitely on PED's? No. Does that mean it's very likely? Yes. Do I think that it severely diminishes his accomplishments if he is in fact on peds? No.
Pacquiao would be a p4p all time great in my eyes PEDs or no PEDs.

I'm just telling it like it is even though none of you wanna hear it.


BTW, Floyd will beat Pacman in the ring PEDs or no PEDs and whoever amongst you pacquiao nuthuggers wants to bet pacman rake free with me, be my guest.
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Old 12-31-2009, 06:19 AM   #559
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http://msn.foxsports.com/boxing/stor...009/?gt1=43001

Looks like he is sueing. Good luck with that one.
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Old 01-04-2010, 04:07 PM   #560
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http://sports.espn.go.com/sports/box...ory?id=4794912

The whole thing is going to a mediator. This guy is the same mediator who worked out the 2007 dispute over who owned the promotional rights to Pacman, and both sides seem to respect him.

This is making me feel much more hopeful.

Also, apparently a story has surfaced about Manny having his blood drawn before the Morales fight 48 hours before the fight. That was the Morales fight he lost. Apparently he's been super superstitious about it since then. It seems to be only a small percentage physical concern and a large percentage intense superstition (which, again is not uncommon among 2nd/3rd world fighters. Think about how many will drink their own piss)
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Old 01-04-2010, 04:45 PM   #561
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http://sports.espn.go.com/sports/box...ory?id=4794912

The whole thing is going to a mediator. This guy is the same mediator who worked out the 2007 dispute over who owned the promotional rights to Pacman, and both sides seem to respect him.

This is making me feel much more hopeful.

Also, apparently a story has surfaced about Manny having his blood drawn before the Morales fight 48 hours before the fight. That was the Morales fight he lost. Apparently he's been super superstitious about it since then. It seems to be only a small percentage physical concern and a large percentage intense superstition (which, again is not uncommon among 2nd/3rd world fighters. Think about how many will drink their own piss)
Here's the video of that if you haven't seen it yet.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UdY1xZ3fh20

Apparently Pacquiao had his blood test taken one month before the fight, but the hospital "lost" his sample and he needed to take another one 48 hours before the fight. Pac couldn't really eat or drink a lot of water after the test because the weigh in was the next day. He said felt weak and his punches weren't as strong on fight night.

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Old 01-04-2010, 05:40 PM   #562
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Wow, interesting clip.
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Old 01-07-2010, 01:05 AM   #563
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Arum: 'The fight's off'


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Old 01-07-2010, 01:06 AM   #564
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I guess it's dead. Really sucks I was def paying for this one.....


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Old 01-07-2010, 01:17 AM   #565
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Old 01-07-2010, 01:18 AM   #566
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The fight will happen in 2010. Arum can go **** his mother.
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Old 01-07-2010, 01:39 AM   #567
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Yeah seriously they can all go to hell. I'm really kind of surprised because it seems like Mayweather would need/want the big payday. I guess his ego is just too big to "lose" a public negotiation.

On the other hand though maybe boxing needs a public embarrassment like this to get its act together.
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Old 01-07-2010, 01:50 AM   #568
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Mayweather will take on some cupcake, and let me guess, NO OLYMPIC TESTING.

As if Pacquiao is the only fighter in the world who can take PEDs and needs to be tested.
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Old 01-07-2010, 01:53 AM   #569
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Mayweather is expected to pursue a fight for March with former super lightweight champion Paulie Malignaggi.
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Old 01-07-2010, 02:32 AM   #570
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Now we get to see one of them fight Malignaggi. Sweet.

How could someone who loves money as much as Floyd Mayweather not allow this fight to happen?
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If this fight never happens, it will be a brutal setback for boxing imo. Really bad.

MMA has easily overtaken boxing as the premier combat sport in the world. Boxing still has the biggest 2-3 names and will put on the biggest 2-3 fights every year, but they can't put on nearly 15-20 PPVs a year like MMA and have all of them hit 300K+ with a majority being 600K+. Boxing has a few big names. This fight could have helped fix that for boxing. The two biggest names clashing. Put a stacked undercard to go with this fight, including somebody good enough to fight the winner (Mosley imo). Promote the whole card. With the way media operates today, this would get more coverage than any boxing event in history. It could rekindle interest in boxing as a whole, especially if

A) 3 million buys
B) The fight is dynamite
C) The undercard is promoted, exciting, and features viable new stars

Put those together and you've got a recipe for renewed interest in boxing. And a big enough fight like this could make that interest trickle down to other fighters rather than just the top few, which is what boxing needs.

All of this if the fight happens. If it doesn't, it'll just be another letdown that drives the casual fan further away from the sport. This fight is basically a make or break for the future of boxing as it relates to the casual fan. I'm being just a little dramatic, but it'll either be a massive boon that draws in millions of casual fans to boxing or a massive bust that drives a ton of casual fans away from the sport. MMA (UFC) has done so well because they always keep the casual fans coming back for more. Boxing would be wise to do the same.
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Old 01-07-2010, 02:59 AM   #572
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Now we get to see one of them fight Malignaggi. Sweet.

How could someone who loves money as much as Floyd Mayweather not allow this fight to happen?
yeah lol Paulie. I mean, likable fighter, but fighting one of these two? Really?

Just what mayweather needs imo. A former 140 pound champ... with zero KO power... who recently got destroyed by a guy Floyd already KO'd... coming up in weight to fight him... What a joke of a fight that would be. Malignaggi is not even top 5 at 140 pounds and barely top ten, and would be moving to 147 to fight floyd. puke.

Much more interested in Pac jumping to 154. Yuri Foreman isn't a particularly awe-inspiring 154 champion, but he's reasonable (around 5ish) it's the smaller more skilled guy jumping up in weight to take on the less skilled smaller guy. Instead of the other way around.
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Old 01-07-2010, 03:01 AM   #573
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DO,

I am a casual fan and you have me pegged perfectly. I was looking forward to this fight and followed updates closely. If this does not go down, I will just not bother with boxing anymore. This is a huge let down and IMO just can't happen. It seems like this is an old boys network who are too stubborn to "bend" and be seen as weak. Or something, I don't know. Oh well, they ****ed up.
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Old 01-07-2010, 03:22 AM   #574
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and so ends what little interest i had left in boxing

**** that noise

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DO,

I am a casual fan and you have me pegged perfectly. I was looking forward to this fight and followed updates closely. If this does not go down, I will just not bother with boxing anymore. This is a huge let down and IMO just can't happen. It seems like this is an old boys network who are too stubborn to "bend" and be seen as weak. Or something, I don't know. Oh well, they ****ed up.
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Old 01-07-2010, 04:05 AM   #575
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$kill Game seems to be spot on with just about every post so far imo

also you cant blame PBF for not wanting to waste energy on this mexican dude, so much better for him to keep training and wait for an actual big name fight
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