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Old 09-22-2011, 02:21 AM   #5626
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Re: SE Boxing Thread (still waiting for PBF v. Pac)

shows how long it's been since i've watched friday night fights...

brian kenny just started a gig as a host for MLB network
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Old 09-22-2011, 12:19 PM   #5627
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pretty good article on grantland

http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/...ler-vs-leonard
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Old 09-22-2011, 12:24 PM   #5628
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Do you read a lot of Raskin's stuff? Probably my favourite boxing writer.
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Old 09-22-2011, 03:15 PM   #5629
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roy jones jr gets the nod in one GOAT category. Youtube highlight.
Everyone probably seen this already, but do it again. Worth a watch once a week at least.

god I wish he would have retired undefeated, although it's hard to fault him for wanting to get paid towards the end. was such a legend.
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Old 09-22-2011, 04:15 PM   #5630
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Re: SE Boxing Thread (still waiting for PBF v. Pac)

the article on grantland is great.

here's a hypo that i'm sure has been discussed a bunch. i am a very casual boxing fan, so i'm interested in just gauging opinion.

transport present day Mayweather back to 1980.
is general consensus that he beats or loses to Sugar Ray Leonard. What about Duran?
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Old 09-22-2011, 04:52 PM   #5631
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the article on grantland is great.

here's a hypo that i'm sure has been discussed a bunch. i am a very casual boxing fan, so i'm interested in just gauging opinion.

transport present day Mayweather back to 1980.
is general consensus that he beats or loses to Sugar Ray Leonard. What about Duran?
Mayweather gets destroyed by both. Leonard is bigger and just better at everything Mayweather does. If Duran could beat Leonard who was bigger and better than Mayweather in every area I don't see how Mayweather has any chance against him either.
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Old 09-22-2011, 08:08 PM   #5632
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Mayweather gets destroyed by both. Leonard is bigger and just better at everything Mayweather does. If Duran could beat Leonard who was bigger and better than Mayweather in every area I don't see how Mayweather has any chance against him either.
"destroyed" is too strong a word imo. When two great fighters meet, or even when a great faces a very good fighter (as is the case here), I think it is unlikely that anyone gets destroyed.
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Old 09-23-2011, 01:31 AM   #5633
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i think duran srl and hearns spanks both mayweather and pac at 147.

leonard is not better at everything mayweather does. He didn't have close to as good defense. Floyds defense is probably top5 of all time and possibly top3 together with pernell and locche.
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Old 09-23-2011, 01:33 AM   #5634
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duh thats 3vs2
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Old 09-23-2011, 02:28 AM   #5635
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Re: SE Boxing Thread (still waiting for PBF v. Pac)

Speaking of Roy Jones Jr. there is reportedly an IOC boxing scandal brewing that the BBC is reporting. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-15020658

During coverage they have frequently been referencing Jones Jr's 1988 Seoul Gold Medal fight as the ultimate example of a terrible, possibly rigged, decision... w/ref suspensions, etc. (RJJ ironically named fighter of the whole tournament).

Was a big fan of RJJ but don't remember seeing that fight. Could only find this History Channel bit on w/footage... looks loltastic. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cJYBV9BXQNY

Oh, 2nd round... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_VRdJ...eature=related

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Old 09-23-2011, 06:28 AM   #5636
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my missus cousin Paddy Barnes...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b68UJjXRFUY

he was beat fair and square but still they felt the need to cheat him at the SF stage of the olympics, I doubt anyone paid for this to happen and it was just a horrible home decision (same as Jones imo).

Kenny Egan also got the rough end of the stick in China with the judges.
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Old 09-23-2011, 06:53 AM   #5637
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Lololol Mayweather on fbook:

"Im tired of beatin up these guys. Im thinking of movin up to the heavyweights and fighting the klitschko brothers". GOAT sports troll
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Old 09-23-2011, 10:20 AM   #5638
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he really is the goat troll.

for some reason I can't help but think that far beneath his projected image he's actually a really smart guy
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Old 09-23-2011, 01:38 PM   #5639
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Lololol Mayweather on fbook:

"Im tired of beatin up these guys. Im thinking of movin up to the heavyweights and fighting the klitschko brothers". GOAT sports troll
i'd pay to see the K brothers slap this ***** around like he slaps his women. vitali would prob keep him around for 12 rounds just for the fun of it.
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Old 09-23-2011, 04:20 PM   #5640
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Ah ffs

Ward/Froch fight has been called off because Ward picked up an eye injury.


Was so looking forward to this as well.
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Old 09-23-2011, 08:04 PM   #5641
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roy jones jr gets the nod in one GOAT category. Youtube highlight.
Everyone probably seen this already, but do it again. Worth a watch once a week at least.



That little shimmy he does at 1:49 is one of the GOAT swag moments.
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Old 09-23-2011, 08:14 PM   #5642
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Someone needs to .gif that for me.
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Old 09-24-2011, 02:15 AM   #5643
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Best I could do.



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Old 09-24-2011, 10:46 PM   #5644
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Re: SE Boxing Thread (still waiting for PBF v. Pac)

just saw the end of this fight - what a pos mayweather is, although I'm guessing that's not a surprise
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Old 09-25-2011, 04:12 AM   #5645
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Old 09-25-2011, 09:49 AM   #5646
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"destroyed" is too strong a word imo. When two great fighters meet, or even when a great faces a very good fighter (as is the case here), I think it is unlikely that anyone gets destroyed.
you are forgetting this is a boxing discussion..The only sport that the farther back in time you fought, the better you are compared to the present day athlete. Even though that is an obvious ****ing absurdity in literally every other sport..in boxing it is par for the course. No point in discussing this stuff...x vs y...who ever has the earlier birthday would win. If x birthday is > 20 years older than y, x would destroy y. repeat.
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Old 09-25-2011, 05:05 PM   #5647
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you are forgetting this is a boxing discussion..The only sport that the farther back in time you fought, the better you are compared to the present day athlete. Even though that is an obvious ****ing absurdity in literally every other sport..in boxing it is par for the course. No point in discussing this stuff...x vs y...who ever has the earlier birthday would win. If x birthday is > 20 years older than y, x would destroy y. repeat.
this is a pretty poor post.

Boxing hasn't had the same super-evolution of players as football or basketball because boxing has weight classes. Football linemen and WRs and such keep getting bigger and faster, but bigger doesn't matter in boxing because you'll always be fighting guys equal in weight to you.

Floyd and Manny mostly train in the same exact ways as guys did 30-40 years ago, or even further back in time. There has been no 'spread offense' or 'moneyball' or any revolution for boxing. Same techniques, same strategies for the most part. It's not like Floyd benefits from super-advanced training techniques, and he certainly doesn't have a crazy advanced diet/health regimen. From what I've seen, he eats like a normal person.

So there's no obvious reason he should automatically be any better than other elite guys at the same weight in the past (unlike an NFL lineman). In addition, boxing was much bigger as a sport in the past, and probably (citation needed, i guess) had a ton more participants, thus making the talent pool deeper. Today's elite athletes are more likely than in the past to play team sports or be off doing MMA.

With all that said, you're using a strawman and nobody in this thread or anywhere believes that every older fighter is the best. Nobody has said that except for you. Poor arguments, man.
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Old 09-25-2011, 05:16 PM   #5648
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Very good post DannyOcean_. Mostly what i would have written (for the 50th time on the internets) if i had the energy.
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Old 09-25-2011, 07:07 PM   #5649
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Old 09-25-2011, 07:42 PM   #5650
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Now he does that move in a horizontal position.
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