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Old 09-19-2011, 12:19 PM   #5576
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Re: SE Boxing Thread (still waiting for PBF v. Pac)

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I don't think too much about all time lists but i can easily name 5 fighters greater than floyd in an instant

Robinson
Armstrong
Ali
Duran
Leonard

Most boxing experts wouldn't even have floyd in the top 25.
Boxing "experts" are obsessed with the past
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Old 09-19-2011, 12:19 PM   #5577
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that would be his demolition of Spinks. (i didn't use wiki and no idea if he would be in my top5)

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Tommy Hearns not getting any recognition itt, guy was a star.
hearns is an all time great, but not of the last 20 years.


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Boxing "experts" are obsessed with the past
This i can agree with. But for good reasons. Most past eras was more fun to watch than the current boxing climate.

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that would be his demolition of Spinks. (i didn't use wiki and no idea if he would be in my top5)
Easily spinks. The sad part is old Holmes is probably his second best win.

3rd? Now this gets really watered down.


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Lol at anyone who doesn't have Roy Jones Jr at #1 or #2 on this list from the last 20 years.
Again, i rated based on resume. And i think Floyd and hopkins just barely edges him out for the fifth spot. I'd be willing to listen to arguments, because my opinion on this fluctuates.

Roy has 2 really good wins in a green-ish hopkins and james toney. But after that it's mostly fluff (and obviously a few good fighters like tarver. griffin. etc)

If we speak about potential, talent etc. I think Roy could be unbeatable at 160. I have a really hard time picking anyone against him at that weight prime for prime. But thats just speculations.
Also lol at anyone leaving out evander in a top5 list.
Morales probably has a slightly better resume than Barrera.

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Old 09-19-2011, 12:20 PM   #5578
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Re: SE Boxing Thread (still waiting for PBF v. Pac)

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How you can list a guy who was comprehensively beaten three times by his toughest tests (Holyfield twice, Lewis once) as the GOAT is absolutely beyond me.
heres where your no knowledge of boxing kicks in.
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Old 09-19-2011, 12:20 PM   #5579
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Re: SE Boxing Thread (still waiting for PBF v. Pac)

I'm ok with peak Tyson in the GOAT discussion

listen i got in to this in the tennis thread

i value GOAT as 'the best boxer ive ever seen' rather than the usual 'most accomplished'

so who is 'the best you've ever seen' (without pulling up fight histories and such, just a pure 'wow hes the best ever')
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Old 09-19-2011, 12:22 PM   #5580
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Re: SE Boxing Thread (still waiting for PBF v. Pac)

for me the 'holy **** hes the best ive ever seen' (so in my lifetime) is probably

RJJ
Tyson
Pacman
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Old 09-19-2011, 12:24 PM   #5581
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Re: SE Boxing Thread (still waiting for PBF v. Pac)

quadsas, how does a 4 year run of knocking out boxcar bums make Tyson the GOAT?

You wanna talk about ability and talent, sure. Tyson looked like the complete package. But his resume for the era is remarkably weak. Michael Spinks and Razor Ruddock are his most notable wins. I mean, really? That's GOAT material?
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Old 09-19-2011, 12:26 PM   #5582
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Re: SE Boxing Thread (still waiting for PBF v. Pac)

"Best I've ever seen" is probably Pacquiao, because I haven't seen the guy do anything unremarkable yet - except for hugging it out with Mosley.

My favourite peak was Roy Jones Jr.

Most impressive resume of our era? Bernard Hopkins.
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Old 09-19-2011, 12:27 PM   #5583
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for me the 'holy **** hes the best ive ever seen' (so in my lifetime) is probably

RJJ
Tyson
Pacman
yeah all these 3. Also Meldrick Taylor.. wow.
Also Whitaker.

Im amazed by floyd now, but wasn't early in his career.
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Old 09-19-2011, 12:28 PM   #5584
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Re: SE Boxing Thread (still waiting for PBF v. Pac)

i don't know much about taylor outside the chavez fight
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Old 09-19-2011, 12:31 PM   #5585
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Re: SE Boxing Thread (still waiting for PBF v. Pac)

roy jones jr gets the nod in one GOAT category. Youtube highlight.
Everyone probably seen this already, but do it again. Worth a watch once a week at least.

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Old 09-19-2011, 12:32 PM   #5586
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i don't know much about taylor outside the chavez fight
Guess you've seen "legendary nights", portraying that fight? Thats basically the cliffnotes of meldricks awesomeness.

Must be the fastest fighter I've ever seen p4p.

Hes not by far the greatest resumewise or even skillswise, he was just so amazingly talented.
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Old 09-19-2011, 12:32 PM   #5587
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I have Lucian Bute in my top 5 of all-time, along with Kenneth Bentley and Floyd Mayweather Jr. I'll reveal the rest later.
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Old 09-19-2011, 12:35 PM   #5588
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Re: SE Boxing Thread (still waiting for PBF v. Pac)

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Most impressive resume of our era? Bernard Hopkins.
Tough to argue with this, especially since he arguably has won every fight that he lost that went to decision and is just an overall general badass. Him throwing down the the PR flag in the Tito pre-fight hype is still maybe my favorite boxing moment.
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Old 09-19-2011, 12:35 PM   #5589
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Re: SE Boxing Thread (still waiting for PBF v. Pac)

The best HW is obviously the GOAT unless people actually buy into bull**** like p4p
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Old 09-19-2011, 12:36 PM   #5590
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Re: SE Boxing Thread (still waiting for PBF v. Pac)

I know Meldrick Taylor had maybe the worst corner of all time

that fight was one of the best ever though, just unreal how dumb his corner was the whole way
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Old 09-19-2011, 12:38 PM   #5591
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Re: SE Boxing Thread (still waiting for PBF v. Pac)

learnt two things in this thread. Past fighters could never be as great as the currently active, and p4p is bull**** that should be disregarded.

Gents, hail the new GOAT

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Old 09-19-2011, 12:55 PM   #5592
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Re: SE Boxing Thread (still waiting for PBF v. Pac)

apparently George Benton (the guy i linked via youtube earlier itt) died today. Real shame.

He was a real solid fighter and an even greater trainer. Trained Whitaker, Holyfield, Meldrick among others.
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Old 09-19-2011, 01:27 PM   #5593
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Re: SE Boxing Thread (still waiting for PBF v. Pac)

It's funny that I had never heard of him until you put that video up earlier, a few hours later i look on twitter and he's dead.

Do you actually think Wlad is better than Vitali? I think Vitali beats the crap out of him.

Vitali must be pissed off with his little brother ruining the Klitschko name. No one ever really has many bad things to say about Vitali.
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Old 09-19-2011, 03:02 PM   #5594
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My favourite peak was Roy Jones Jr.
Agree with this. Roy was one of the most impressive athletes period I've ever seen.
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Old 09-19-2011, 03:20 PM   #5595
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Re: SE Boxing Thread (still waiting for PBF v. Pac)

Just downloaded the fight. Complete joke of an ending, wouldn't surprise me if they rigged it. Post fight interviews were hilarious and I agree with Floyd in that Larry should be fired because he is truly awful. Ortiz tries way too hard to be nice, we get it, you came from nothing. Get over it.
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Old 09-19-2011, 06:04 PM   #5596
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Re: SE Boxing Thread (still waiting for PBF v. Pac)

thread has surprisingly little talk about CANELO
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Old 09-19-2011, 06:46 PM   #5597
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Re: SE Boxing Thread (still waiting for PBF v. Pac)

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lol@**** who dont think mayweather is top 5 boxer all time
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you both obviously are epi gimmicks

noone can be that stupid
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yea when guys with no knowledge whatsoever like this kingofcool guy (inappropiate nickname) only thing that comes close is tigers thread
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like how ****in braindamaged a person could be to post blackwhite vids to try to prove that those scrubs were better than FLOYD
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why would you need the list when I say FLOYD is top 5. TYSON is the GOAT and FLOYD is in top 5, stop posting your scrubnoob videos and learn some boxing sir.
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if you dont have tyson in your top 5 you are hardcore trolling or just rly stupid and prolly steelers fan
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are you guys just mad that TYSON was the GOAT and FLOYD is in top5? both are obviously the best and if you dont agree with that you are lower level peon with no understanding of boxing
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heres where your no knowledge of boxing kicks in.
Just stop. You have the boxing IQ of a flea.

Guys, stop feeding him.
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Old 09-19-2011, 07:02 PM   #5598
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Re: SE Boxing Thread (still waiting for PBF v. Pac)

I have just spent the last hour or so watching old fights on youtube. Benn vs McClellan (despite the tragic ending) and Honeygan vs Curry. So awesome.
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Old 09-19-2011, 07:20 PM   #5599
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I have just spent the last hour or so watching old fights on youtube. Benn vs McClellan (despite the tragic ending) and Honeygan vs Curry. So awesome.
Great fight, I always feel a bit guilty about enjoying it though.
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Old 09-19-2011, 07:23 PM   #5600
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thread has surprisingly little talk about CANELO
I made a small bet with some guy that Canelo was going to win every round of his fight (probably a dumb bet on my part because I didn't even know who the other guy was). The only thing I knew was that Canelo is awesome and felt super good about the bet. We went by Harold Lederman's scorecard so I lost the bet after the second round (a round that I thought Canelo won). After that, my dad yelled at me for being a dumbass. :/
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