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Old 12-23-2009, 01:08 PM   #426
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No way Mayweather backs out of the fight right?? Manny said he would take the blood test after the fight he just didnt want it to interfere with his training, legit gripe imo...
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Old 12-23-2009, 01:40 PM   #427
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Taking blood leaves your arm feeling like crap.
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Old 12-23-2009, 01:42 PM   #428
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No way Mayweather backs out of the fight right?? Manny said he would take the blood test after the fight he just didnt want it to interfere with his training, legit gripe imo...
I read that Manny would agree to a blood test even one month before the fight. But Mayweather insists that the blood test be taken 48 hours before fight night.

Ridiculous.
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Old 12-23-2009, 01:47 PM   #429
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Floyd is very aware of his legacy, loves being undefeated, and certainly seems very afraid of losing.

I still think he'll win though.
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Old 12-23-2009, 02:52 PM   #430
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No way this fight isn't happening.
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Old 12-23-2009, 03:04 PM   #431
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I might shed a tear if this fight doesnt happen

Already have a venue set for the big night
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Old 12-23-2009, 04:26 PM   #432
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The whole "money mayweather" thing is just rationalization for doing what he loves/is addicted to. He was born to box. Boxing was ingrained in him from his father and his whole family. That's what he does. It's who he is. He doesn't train his ass off because he sees dollar signs...He trains his ass off because he's trained his ass off since he was 2 years old and it's a habit.

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It is super dumb for pacquiao not to agree to whatever testing is called for; and although people think mayweather is posturing, many people (rightly so) are skeptical as to how manny has put on so much weight while maintaining, maybe even improving, his speed/strength. The event is as big as it gets in boxing, so there's nothing wrong with maximum testing.

There's no harm in him agreeing to this (unless he's taking illegal peds).
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Old 12-23-2009, 04:27 PM   #433
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This is so typical of Mayweather. He never wanted this fight in the 1st place. Even if Pac does agree to all these ridiculous random blood tests up to 48 hours before the fight Mayweather will just find some other reason to ***** out.
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Old 12-23-2009, 04:30 PM   #434
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The whole "money mayweather" thing is just rationalization for doing what he loves/is addicted to. He was born to box. Boxing was ingrained in him from his father and his whole family. That's what he does. It's who he is. He doesn't train his ass off because he sees dollar signs...He trains his ass off because he's trained his ass off since he was 2 years old and it's a habit.

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It is super dumb for pacquiao not to agree to whatever testing is called for; and although people think mayweather is posturing, many people (rightly so) are skeptical manny has put on this much weight/strength/maintain speed. The event is as big as it gets in boxing, so there's nothing wrong with maximum testing.

There's no harm in him agreeing to this (unless he's taking illegal peds).
Pac is willing to take the test before the press conference and immediately after the fight. So what's the difference?
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Old 12-23-2009, 04:33 PM   #435
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It is super dumb for pacquiao not to agree to whatever testing is called for; and although people think mayweather is posturing, many people (rightly so) are skeptical as to how manny has put on so much weight while maintaining, maybe even improving, his speed/strength. The event is as big as it gets in boxing, so there's nothing wrong with maximum testing.

There's no harm in him agreeing to this (unless he's taking illegal peds).
Pac has always had a difficult time having his blood drawn. Mayweather knows this and just wants to try to get Pac out of his comfort zone by insisting he do a blood test so close to the fight. It's the typical Mayweather BS. He tries to dictate all the conditions to get to his opponents.
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Old 12-23-2009, 04:37 PM   #436
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This is just posturing by Mayweather. He wants to show everybody that he has the upper hand in negotiating and wants to bully Pacquiao. He didn't do this against Judah, Hatton or Baldomir. It isn't fair that a boxer is bullied because of the success he has had in the ring.

Whatever you use will show up after the fight. So, stick with the standard drug testing policy (tested after the fight).

My opinion is that Team Pacquiao should demand that Mayweather pay a large fine if Pac takes a pre-fight test and comes up clean. This is a real bull**** move by Mayweather's team.
Good point. If Manny didn't KO De La Hoya, Hatton and Cotto, we wouldn't be having this discussion. Floyd saw Manny knock out 3 bigger guys and now he's scared.
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Old 12-23-2009, 04:55 PM   #437
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I think a good way to test someones credibility on boxing is to ask them if pbf is afraid to fight manny.
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Old 12-23-2009, 05:01 PM   #438
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Fight is gonna happen. Right...?
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Old 12-23-2009, 05:32 PM   #439
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It is super dumb for pacquiao not to agree to whatever testing is called for; and although people think mayweather is posturing, many people (rightly so) are skeptical as to how manny has put on so much weight while maintaining, maybe even improving, his speed/strength.
HAHAHAHAHAHA

What a joke

Both fighters are fighting at 106 lbs when they're 16 years old and somehow Manny getting up in weight is super suspicious but Floyd is just a natural badass?

Puh-leez.
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Old 12-23-2009, 06:14 PM   #440
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Good News: http://sports.espn.go.com/sports/box...ory?id=4768830

Cliff notes:
-Arum wants agencies used by the MLB, NBA, NFL to handle the blood tests, not the USADA.
-Manny will have three blood tests done. One in January before the press conference, one during training camp, but no later than Feb 13, and one immediately after the fight in Manny's locker room.
-Manny has no problem with the blood tests, but has problems on who is doing the testing and the scheduling procedures of the testing. He doesn't want to worry about when the next blood test is going to be conducted when he's preparing for a fight.
-Floyd, Ellerbe only wants the USADA to conduct the testing because its random.

IMO, what Manny is asking for is very fair for both sides.
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Old 12-23-2009, 06:32 PM   #441
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Taking blood leaves your arm feeling like crap.

I wish the news reports would look at this. How much blood do they take for these olympic style tests? Does it have the effect ProfessorPain claims? What effects does it have?

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Old 12-23-2009, 07:11 PM   #442
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I wish the news reports would look at this. How much blood do they take for these olympic style tests? Does it have the effect ProfessorPain claims? What effects does it have?

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well they do it for endurance athletes all of the time right up to and during competition. in cycling for example they are pulling blood morning of the events sometimes, including during stages of the grand tours like the tour de france. i dont believe it is that much and i would find it hard to argue that the blood lost is more important to a boxer than a cyclist.

as for how it actually effects your arm i dont have a clue.

edit to add that i think there is a pretty big flaw in having scheduled testing. with the complexity of the drugs they have now any doping plan can be tailored so that a guy can stop doping X number of days before the test and show up clean day of. also, i dont think a lot of the new stuff will even show up in urine testing so it would seem that random blood testing is the best way to determine if a guy is clean.
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Old 12-23-2009, 07:48 PM   #443
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I wish the news reports would look at this. How much blood do they take for these olympic style tests? Does it have the effect ProfessorPain claims? What effects does it have?

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I used to have blood taken regularly to check my medication level in my bloodstream and liver count. Normally, just a vial at a time was all that was needed to determine if I need more or less medication.

It does weaken your arm to a degree. Oftentimes, they'll even mention that you shouldn't do any heavy lifting for X amount of time. But also, you can't quickly extend your arm at the elbow or move it as fast as you would like. It would definitely take some snap off of Pac's jab. You can't really flex it as if you were curling or something like that. If you take frequent blood tests, the effect doesn't last as long as you get used to it. But in Pac's case, even the slightest weakness can hurt him in the ring.
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Old 12-23-2009, 08:21 PM   #444
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I used to have blood taken regularly to check my medication level in my bloodstream and liver count. Normally, just a vial at a time was all that was needed to determine if I need more or less medication.

It does weaken your arm to a degree. Oftentimes, they'll even mention that you shouldn't do any heavy lifting for X amount of time. But also, you can't quickly extend your arm at the elbow or move it as fast as you would like. It would definitely take some snap off of Pac's jab. You can't really flex it as if you were curling or something like that. If you take frequent blood tests, the effect doesn't last as long as you get used to it. But in Pac's case, even the slightest weakness can hurt him in the ring.
you make it sound like only manny would have to take these tests. pretty sure that they would do it evenly for both fighters. if manny is giving blood 48 hours before, floyd is too.
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Old 12-23-2009, 08:24 PM   #445
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If Mayweather refuses to fight because Manny doesn't agree to his 1243249 extra drug tests that's going to go down as one of the biggest ***** moves in sports history. Manny's already agreed to random urine samples at any time pre or post fight, and blood at the kick off and after the fight. All of that is far above NSAC requirements.

Basically, Floyd is a *****.
Agreed, it's a total ***** move my Mayweather.
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Old 12-23-2009, 09:08 PM   #446
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Around the Horn today (rough paraphrasing)

Adande: The public will side with Mayweather and wonder what Manny has to hide.

Mariotti: Manny's been called out, he has to prove now that he's clean

Mariotti: How hard could 8-10 urine tests and 3-5 blood tests be between the start of the year and the fight? (his interpretation of the Olympic standard, someone either confirm or deny this)

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Old 12-23-2009, 09:23 PM   #447
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I think a good way to test someones credibility on boxing is to ask them if pbf is afraid to fight manny.
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Old 12-23-2009, 09:30 PM   #448
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HAHAHAHAHAHA

What a joke

Both fighters are fighting at 106 lbs when they're 16 years old and somehow Manny getting up in weight is super suspicious but Floyd is just a natural badass?

Puh-leez.
No. Me thinking he's on PEDs has nothing to do w him starting at 106 lbs. I 100% agree w u there...People who point to that as there reasoning is dumb b/c he was 16 years old; floyd just wasn't fighting professionally at 16.


His domination (not just winning...but absolute annhilation) after he moved up from 130 in beating david diaz, dlh, hatton, and cotto is suspicious. He looks much stronger than he did at 130. He looks just as fast as he did at 130. He looks more ripped than he did at 130.

In a perfect world, manny would not be taking peds. However, in modern day sports, it'd be dumb to think otherwise. To not be skeptical as to whether or not pacquiao is on ped's is foolish.
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Old 12-23-2009, 09:57 PM   #449
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you make it sound like only manny would have to take these tests. pretty sure that they would do it evenly for both fighters. if manny is giving blood 48 hours before, floyd is too.
Quickness and punch power are much more important to Pac than Mayweather given their two styles.

It'd be like Pac asking for a test that would effect both fighters ability to roll their shoulders back to dodge punches. Obviously it would affect both, but the effect would be much worse for Mayweather's chances.
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Old 12-23-2009, 10:09 PM   #450
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Mayweather is the biggest ****ing pussy to walk this earth
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