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It's a bit biased to say Bute is the best super middle don't you think?
OK, if Martinez fights Bute then? Would that make it better?
As a whole career, i would say Pacquiao is greater by far. But his best wins are long gone, and Martinez wins against Kelly Pavlik, Paul Williams and hypothetically "thebestsupermiddleweightintheworld" would be way more awesome than Cotto, Hatton and Clottey.
I guess it's pointless speculation. P4P is a fantasy title after all. I just hope Martinez get the recognition among casualfans that i think he deserves.
As per your ranking. I don't even consider Mayweather an active fighter anymore. He shouldn't even be ranked.
Donaire is awesome.
lol Canadian bias ldo
I don't think that string of Martinez wins would be "way more awesome" though, tbh. Definitely impressive but not considerably more so than Pac's run. Pavlik knocked Martinez down early iirc and the cuts over Pavlik's eyes severely affected the outcome of that fight - in b4 "who gave him those cuts?" I just think it was closer than one might assume. The Williams one punch KO was sick, no disagreement there, but I really thought that fight would play out more like the first one. Fights like that are so hard to classify; lucky shot? Too much power? I wasn't really sure what to think of it other than OMG what a shot. Although I think it's fair to say it wasn't like the Pacquiao KO of Hatton though, which was also a one shot bomb but was already the 3rd knockdown in the first 2 rounds, that was just domination.
As far as Pacman's run is concerned, I think you've gotta include the DLH and Margarito fights now as bookends, can't ignore them. And he's literally destroyed everyone. The Cotto fight was top class through the first 4 rounds until Pac proved to be too much going forward. Hatton and Clottey both looked terrible, I'll fully admit that, but Margarito wasn't as much of a pushover as most of us thought he'd be and Pac still killed him. I mean, put it this way; I haven't walked away from a Pacquiao fight in the last 3 years and thought to myself "that wasn't all that impressive." Every single fight is a dominant performance, an absolute clinic. He's just in a class all by himself.
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I agree, most rankings have Andre Ward ahead of Bute. It's a bit mad to call Bute the undisputed number one when his best wins are only against Edison Miranda and Librado Andrade. Untill he fights the winner of the super six it's all guesswork.
Ward and Kessler are the only two of the Super Six that really impress me (I'm not gonna count Johnson, he's kinda like an anomaly in this whole thing). Froch is game to fight anyone, as we've already established itt, but imo he's clearly a step behind the top end. Looked awful against Dirrell, Kessler dominated him...really, him and Abraham were perfect for each other. Ward should have no problem beating Froch if that's the final we get.
I know Bute's resume isn't overwhelming but damn, he's looked good doing it. Smooth, disciplined, powerful, he really looks like the real deal. I can't wait for him to get a bigger name and I don't think he'll disappoint.
Ward, Bute, Kessler and Martinez would make a pretty cool 4-man battle royale, come to think of it. When I said Bute was #1, perhaps what I should've said is that whoever wins the Super Six shouldn't really claim best in the world status until they fight Bute, who was and is better than half of the original field imo.