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Old 11-20-2010, 01:21 PM   #3101
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Old 11-20-2010, 01:26 PM   #3102
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Just watched highlights again of Pacman fight, lol just ridiculous.

Also a good back and forth between Hayes camp and Klitchchos camp. Seems its coming down to TV rights. Germany doesnt do PPV which is proving a stumbling block.
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Old 11-20-2010, 01:34 PM   #3103
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Mosley's a good guy and if he's healthy, he's probably still a competent fighter...but if he looks anything like he did against Mayweather, Pacquiao will end his career. That is a near guarantee.

I mean, the Margarito fight actually ended up having a bit of intrigue. It was a fun one sided fight because Margarito was clearly capable of inflicting some damage. I just can't see what Mosley's gonna do to Pac.
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Old 11-20-2010, 01:46 PM   #3104
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I don't see how they're going to add even the slightest bit of hype, intrigue or interest to this fight. Margarito played the villain well. At least people wanted to see what would happen after the hand wraps controversy and the absurd size difference.

I suppose there's always a good deal of excitement when Manny fights, but this is just becoming a joke.
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Old 11-20-2010, 02:15 PM   #3105
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I'd rather see Berto than Mosely against Manny if Floyd isn't available. The fight I'd really like to see is Manny vs Sergio/Pwilliams for the 160 title with no catchweight. Going down to 140 to fight the winner of the Bradley vs Alexander bout would be way better than Mosely as well and Manny could make 140 without even trying. I guess Manny is afraid of being charged for child molestation if he ever fights below 147 again.
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Old 11-20-2010, 02:31 PM   #3106
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Mosely just has a desire for full on brain damage, not some halfass word slurring.
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Old 11-20-2010, 02:58 PM   #3107
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I'd rather see Berto than Mosely against Manny if Floyd isn't available. The fight I'd really like to see is Manny vs Sergio/Pwilliams for the 160 title with no catchweight. Going down to 140 to fight the winner of the Bradley vs Alexander bout would be way better than Mosely as well and Manny could make 140 without even trying. I guess Manny is afraid of being charged for child molestation if he ever fights below 147 again.
If Manny won that fight, he'd be the GOAT and in some ways that might be more impressive than beating a clearly disinterested Mayweather.

Still...c'mon. Surely that would be suicide for Pac. That's too big. That has to be too big.
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Old 11-20-2010, 03:06 PM   #3108
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Nothing is too big. **** it, get him in with the heavyweights!!
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Old 11-20-2010, 03:06 PM   #3109
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Re: SE Boxing Thread (still waiting for PBF v. Pac)

Manny really cannot fight paul williams. Williams is nearly 6'3 and has an 82 inch reach, which is longer than the HW champ.

Pac is 5'6 and has a 67 inch reach. If you thought the size difference was noticeable before, this would be like a man fighting a little boy.


I do agree that beating Williams would make Pacquiao basically the inarguable best boxer to have ever lived. It would be a complete level above beating Mayweather.
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Old 11-20-2010, 03:22 PM   #3110
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The fight I'd really like to see is Manny vs Sergio/Pwilliams for the 160 title with no catchweight.
No way that fight takes place at 160. Martinez/ Williams 2 is at 158 and Williams has recently fought as low as 147, so if PW were to face Pacquiao it would almost certainly be at welterweight (147). Martinez will struggle to make 158 as is, and if anyone thinks Pacquiao can beat a fighter of Martinez's quality who needs to drain to get to 160, they have probably bought too much into the Pac Man hype.
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Old 11-20-2010, 03:24 PM   #3111
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Realistically who is next for Pacquiao if its not Floyd?
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Old 11-20-2010, 03:35 PM   #3112
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Manny really cannot fight paul williams. Williams is nearly 6'3 and has an 82 inch reach, which is longer than the HW champ.

Pac is 5'6 and has a 67 inch reach. If you thought the size difference was noticeable before, this would be like a man fighting a little boy.
I agree that Manny will probably avoid Williams at all costs, and I also agree that Williams would likely win. That said, a fight at 147 wouldn't be at all unfair. Manny just won a 154 pound belt (at 150 pounds), if they both moved down in weight and made the weigh in, then it's fair game as far as I'm concerned.
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Old 11-20-2010, 03:53 PM   #3113
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Mosely just has a desire for full on brain damage, not some halfass word slurring.
This. He might already be brain dead if he takes this fight.
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Old 11-20-2010, 03:55 PM   #3114
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Also a good back and forth between Hayes camp and Klitchchos camp.
Video of what I was referring too.
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Old 11-20-2010, 05:00 PM   #3115
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Realistically who is next for Pacquiao if its not Floyd?
Sadly, I think Mosley is the most plausible opponent.

That's what happens when you dominate. You run out of competition. Bah.
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Old 11-20-2010, 05:02 PM   #3116
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Old 11-20-2010, 05:20 PM   #3117
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Sadly, I think Mosley is the most plausible opponent.

That's what happens when you dominate. You run out of competition. Bah.
Please god no. Shane should just retire already.

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Old 11-20-2010, 05:41 PM   #3118
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I completely forgot about this thread

I know this show is a few weeks old but I just had a chance to check it out over the last few nights. That said, I love the 24/7 series on HBO, I think it's really well done.

Freddie is one of the greatest trainers of all time. I like how he handles his fighters, he's a natural, and quite frankly he's very likable imo.

I really thought it was jive that Margarito and Rios made fun of Freddie because of his Parkinson's disease. And Brandon Rios kept running his mouth, what a jack ass!! Last I heard Margarito was still hospitalized; not a great idea to give Roach and Manny any more incentive to knock the **** out of you.

Any other fans of the show and Freddie Roach?
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Old 11-20-2010, 05:47 PM   #3119
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I believe Sergio came in to the ring at 167 for his middle weight fight against Pavlik. Margarito came in to right for the Pacquaio fight at 165. Sergio fought most of his career at 154 and only recently moved to 160. He is definitely not a huge middleweight that uses his physical presence to dominate anyone.

I think Sergio gives Manny some problems with his lightning speed and reach along with his overall natural athletic ability. It's certainly possible Sergio could just snipe Manny from long range the entire fight without letting Manny have many chances to bang.

I don't see Paul Williams giving Manny any problems at all because I don't recall seeing him use his height to advantage and he's not going to out maneuver Manny to maintain range since Paul would have to stop punching to move and we all know he hates to stop punching. Manny will slip a jab or eat it if he has to, get on Paul's hip, and just work him over at close range. Paul will be telling his corner "I can't get him off me" after each round until he's KO'd.
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Old 11-20-2010, 05:57 PM   #3120
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Re: SE Boxing Thread (still waiting for PBF v. Pac)

De La Hoya and Margarito were the two tallest fighters Pacquiao's ever fought, both at 5'11". They were also both past their primes; DLH was well into his twilight, while Margarito was less removed but still not nearly as devastating as he once was.

For the record, I think Paul Williams is extremely overrated, but he's still damn good. And he's in his prime. He's just under 6'3" with a monster reach. That's almost 4 full inches taller than Pac's tallest opponent to date.

To suggest that Williams wouldn't give Pacquiao any trouble is ludicrous. Williams loves to jab and set up his straight right against smaller opposition. Pacquiao would be in risk of sustaining serious damage every time he tried to get within range to land his own shots. At the very least, a properly trained Williams would have a very good chance of grinding out a boring decision from the outside, but the possibility of busting Pac up in a vulnerable position is very real, given the massive size disparity.

Cliffs: Paul Williams is too big for Pacquiao.
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Old 11-20-2010, 06:06 PM   #3121
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I assume you mean jab to set up his straight left since Paul is a southpaw.

Anyways, I'm hoping we get another great fight tonight between Sergio and Paul.
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Old 11-20-2010, 06:08 PM   #3122
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What time is this fight expected to start? The usual 11.30ishpm EST?
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Old 11-20-2010, 06:14 PM   #3123
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What time is this fight expected to start? The usual 11.30ishpm EST?
HBO coverage starts at 7pm PST. It is not a PPV fight because for some reason neither Paul nor Sergio has much of a fan base. Promoters matter I guess.
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Old 11-20-2010, 06:38 PM   #3124
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I agree that Manny will probably avoid Williams at all costs, and I also agree that Williams would likely win. That said, a fight at 147 wouldn't be at all unfair. Manny just won a 154 pound belt (at 150 pounds), if they both moved down in weight and made the weigh in, then it's fair game as far as I'm concerned.
I mean, "unfair" is in the eye of the beholder. And if both parties sign on the dotted line, then they agreed to the conditions so by definition it's "fair".

But realistically, it's not an even matchup. Pacquiao fights at 147 these days, but has weighed in at 144ish for most of his fights over the last few years. Whether he was fighting at 135, 140, 147 or 150, he walks into the ring at about 144. He basically can't gain anymore weight is my assumption. Williams cutting down to 147 makes him a huge, massive 147 pounder, and he would likely be even heavier than Margarito even if he did take the fight at 147. When you add his extreme height and length advantage, it's just too much.
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Old 11-20-2010, 07:23 PM   #3125
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Seriously how high do you guys think Pac could fight? Would he be a slight underdog against a guy like Andre Ward?
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