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Originally Posted by SuperUberBob
Gotta keep in mind that although the scorecards didn't show it, Ortiz was fighting a winning the fight against Wilder until he got knocked out. He was giving Wilder fits early in the fight with his counter punching style. He is vulnerable against out-boxers. Given that Tyson Fury is just that, it is a perfect matchup.
Tyson is of course known for his endurance and awkward style that can keep opponents guessing. Everything he does is designed to keep power punchers like Wilder and Klitschko at bay while he builds a lead on the cards. If he returns to form, I don't see Wilder having more than a puncher's chance to take the fight.
That said, I don't see that happening. I don't care what diet you go on or how hard you work out, you can't come back from a cocaine addiction, being 375 lbs, serious psychological problems and be the same guy you were 3 years ago. For all we know with Tyson's mental state, he has some kind of nervous breakdown or stops giving a **** if Wilder keeps the fight close.
People give Wilder **** for swinging out of control and having no fundamentals. While he is lacking a bit in the latter, the swinging out of control accusation is really exaggerated. He only does that when it's clear that he hurt his opponent. If you look at his fights now compared to earlier in his career, he's become far more patient and disciplined. He also never seems to think he's out of a fight. Wilder was clearly losing to Ortiz but never lost confidence in himself. That mental strength is a huge benefit to him.
I really don't necessarily think we're looking at a fight of the year here. It is still an interesting fight to see. I think it goes similar to Wilder/Ortiz. Tyson ahead on the cards due to outboxing Wilder early but gets knocked out late.
Let's be honest, he was probably doing coke throughout his career and he clearly had mental issues prior to the Wlad fight. Gaining 35-40% extra weight is a lot, but it's not like he looked like Wilder's physique when he fought Wlad. He didn't go from 2% body fat to 40% and then back or anything. It's impressive and all, maybe he's lost a step due to it, but the story is really being laid on thick for this one, mostly by Eddie Hearn who didn't want this fight to happen (so he talks about how Fury isn't ready and it's a bad idea, he should wait *and fight Joshua in 2019 lol*) and then in the week or two lead up the promoters really dramatize Fury's story.
Old Wlad was a lot slower than Wilder, and Fury is much better dancing around than Ortiz, but I think Ortiz is the superior boxer, that's the difference in my mind at least.
Ortiz was definitely ahead in my mind in that fight, but it's a 12 rounder. A 6 round fight would be more interesting, I think Wilder still probably wins (would be a lot more aggressive in half the time), but closer to even in my eyes.
Last edited by ChicagoRy; 12-01-2018 at 09:16 PM.