When you press the action & the round is close then you give it to the aggressor, it's how fights are scored in every combat sport.

I agree with this fight being closer than the first one. In the first one, Canelo winning was an impossibility to me. Even a draw was extremely generous in the first one. This one, it was in the equation.

Exo,

Stick to MMA

Canelo fought really well and his chin and GGGs are both utterly absurd . We will see a third/ weird to compare this to pacquiao Marquez but I think it’s fairly similar . No one could be surprised if GGG knocks canelo out in their next fight

Still surprised by GGGs defense in this one. A lit more slipping and pivoting than I expected to see.

I thought i put Cruizn on ignore.

I want to see Saunders fight Canelo or GGG next, they can have the trilogy another time.

Saunders is boring as ****. No thanks.

GGG gonna want that third fight ASAP. He's getting old. Whether Canelo gives it to him is the question.

Both utterly destroy Saunders in a pathetic fight IMO

Compubox stats in this article. Can't get image to display from my phone https://www.theguardian.com/sport/li...golovkin-fight

This too. Canelo and GGG are really on another planet in the middleweight division.

Canelo can make more money with a trilogy, but why? He can make just as much mopping up Saunders and some cans. He's clearly in no danger of losing and boxing fans won't ever respect him as a champion because of Oscar so get that paper while the gettin's good.

I'd like to see Saunders out cold to be honest.

GGG lands more punches in 8 rounds, 3 for Canelo, 1 a draw.

MD Canelo seems about right given all we know.

Every judge gave Canelo round 5? I think most of us thought GGG had that one cleanly.

There's really no need to figure out if this was rigged or not, we have plenty historical evidence for the insane corruption in this sport.

I get it, I get that canelo stood strong and tall and the narrative behind him didnt falter for most of the fight, all singel checkmarks with his story in this match got checkmarked off.


for judges to go 4-1 in the middle rounds to canleo, thats a yikes from me.

thought canelo winning was the 3rd option tonight, 2nd being a tie and first being a GGG close victory.


that one black dude was rightabout pushing a story and narrative that helkped canelo and hurt GGG


I dont get why people try to train to be a power puncher or hitter, you just cant win close rounds anymore. you just ****ing cant. just go counter 100%

There was a JRE a while ago with a middling comedian that used to be a lawyer for 10 years. It's a great listen if you get the chance, but when he was talking about paying for expert witnesses Rogan asked "What if the expert witness your paying to be there doesn't testify on the subject the way you want him to."

The guest responded with the obvious "They never did. Because they know the game, and they know which side is paying them now and if they violate that, they aren't going to be used by either side of a case in the future."

I can't see boxing judges being any different at this point. I don't believe Oscar went to any of these judges (who historically are all solid judges by the way. We didn't have any Byrds tonight) and gave them a bribe. I think it's just understood, even subconsciously, that in a close fight, you favor the A-side.

I had this one 8-4, but there were plenty of close rounds. So much so that I think anything from 7-5 Canelo to 8-4 GGG is perfectly fine. I do that that if we expand to a larger number of judges, that the center of the bell curve probably lands on 7-5 GGG, but in Vegas, on a Golden Boy card, Canelo isn't losing a fight where that's the case.

Edit: On a personal note, I'm not sure if it's because this was supposedly Canelo's final fight on his HBO deal or what, but this narrative that Kellerman and RJJ were slobbering over that GGG had to fight a certain way in order to convince the judges is beyond dumb. Max, RJJ this is box. Hit the other guy more often and do more damage and you should win. Anything else is accepting failure.

wait what?? thats incredibly difficult INCREDIBLY difficult to do at that stage

i get GGG is amazing but 30 yr old canelo vs 38 GGG, canelos stamina should be slightly better while GGG will be a bit worse with his punches not being able to extend into multiple rounds with force due to him being 38. hes a machine but i don tthink GGG has a chance for rd III and its sad since it shoudl have been 1 for GGG maybe a tie and 0 for canelo for first 2 matchs

I agree judges were good, im not saying rigged, I get it was close. no question


but I do agree the narrative kinda plays in part when you have styles like this even tho I think canelo is most aggro coutner attkr I have seen in a while. again, canelo checkmarked his checklist while GGG kinda didnt.

its funny hwo a lot of people were saying GGG won teb looked at favorabel without a KO and thats unfair due to his history,

4-1 to canelo in mid rds is still absurd. i don tgive a **** who won but it should have been a tie even before canelo was the winner. that would have been fairest result

GGG needed the KO. Everybody and their mother knew that GGG wasn't winning a decision. The fans in attendance, promoters, announcers all wanted Canelo to win. Canelo has 10 years of PPVs to make the businessmen in the sports hundreds of millions of dollars. GGG has two fights at the top before it's over for him. Moneyed interests wanted Canelo to win and so that's what happened.

GGG's entire career is marked by an unfulfilled legacy. People shat all over him for years because his list of opponents was weak. But that was because they were running from him. He finally gets a shot at his legacy well past his peak and gets shafted once and the raw end of a close fight the second time.

nice post.


lot of talk about what canelo needed and he needed to do a and b and he did those things, while he did those well GGG matched and boxed as well imo but gave canelo the edge. that black guy was spot on with pushing narratives before fight and I guess thats the managers and pr secondary jobs


i dont feel bad for someone who is a millionaire but GGG seems super good at boxing, his jab and his defense for a guy who is a "power puncher" seems like his defense is super underrated

To me, things like this are so damning and damaging to the sport over all. The results aren't ideal, but casual fans might buy Canelo, and there's no question he's a great fighter who's fun to watch.

Sections of rounds like you mention, or somehow giving all of the final 6 rounds to Ward in Kov/Ward I really highlight just how biased, intentionally or unintentionally, boxing judging is and puts a real damper on things.

I want to say boxing should just be played out **** rounds but that is life damaging and could really ruin the sport with all sorts of career ending injuries and such.

I say add 2 more rounds. I think that is an easy, realistic fix that would improve the sport

I'd like it if the judges were each separated into their own private room and watched the fight on TV without sound. The cheers of the fans and comments announcers make too heavily influence the judges' perceptions of the fight. Plus judges would get a better view of the fight by watching it on TV.

Boxing was reduced from 15 rounds to 12 when Ray Mancini beat Duk Koo Kim to death. No way will they add more rounds. They're more likely to reduce them.

I'd like to see an odd number of rounds to essentially eliminate draws though.