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03-05-2018 , 08:16 AM
The problem is Wilder badly wants the fight for obvious reasons.

He stands to make a ton of cash ( way more than he currently gets ) and the opportunity to hold all the belts and prove he's number one.

Joshua makes a to of cash regardless of who he fights and Hearn knows that.

I can see a lot of flack coming Joshua / Hearn's way if they opt for someone like Miller.

I personally think this fight happens next if Joshua beats Parker because no doubt Wilder gets into the ring with Joshua after that fight to help Sky go mental with the hype.
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03-05-2018 , 09:13 AM
Wilder wants a larger share of the money though and whilst that's the case the fight will never happen.
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03-05-2018 , 09:41 AM
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Originally Posted by Consty
Wilder wants a larger share of the money though and whilst that's the case the fight will never happen.
Wilder deserves between 45 - 50% to be fair.

If Hearn / Joshua decides that is too much then its just a complete duck imo and they should be hammered accordingly.

Is Parker getting 35% ?, Wilder deserves more because it will be a bigger fight.
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03-05-2018 , 09:45 AM
There's also the issue of Hearn supposedly signing Tyson Fury very soon. Does he look to build that fight up instead of Wilder?
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03-05-2018 , 10:00 AM
A Joshua v Fury fight is at least a year away imo ..

A Joshua / Wilder summer fight at Wembley just makes so much sense .. I find it difficult to see how it can be avoided without it looking like a complete bottle job.
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03-05-2018 , 10:24 AM
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Originally Posted by Hap_Hazard
Wilder deserves between 45 - 50% to be fair.
He doesn't tho. Its not about being a champ, its about having a fanbase to bring in money.

For Wilder's sake, I hope that has changed now, but Hearn would be throwing money away by giving him close to half.

Wilder taking 35-40% would eclipse his previous earnings, his management are terrible and deluded enough to draw this out.

Joshua has plenty of other big money fights in the short term.
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03-05-2018 , 10:42 AM
Exactly. Joshua can sell out stadiums fighting a plumber. Wilder made $2m for the Ortiz fight, Joshua's making 5 times that fighting a mandatory. Up until the weekend no one in America knew who Wilder was. The general public probably still don't. Wilder doesn't even have a proper promoter, he's doing most of it by himself.

I don't think Hearn's plan of making Joshua a household name in America by fighting Miller there is that bad really. Wilder fight has to happen this year though.

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03-05-2018 , 11:28 AM
Maybe im old school.

The best fighters should fight each other and one guy rules each weight division.

Joshua is probably already a household name in America .... there is no need for him to fight Miller over there to make the Wilder fight more appealing.

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He doesn't tho. Its not about being a champ, its about having a fanbase to bring in money
Shelly Finkel insinuated that this fight sells itself both in the UK and America so im sure Wilder brings enough to the table, its just whether Hearn really fancies it.

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03-05-2018 , 12:08 PM
3 belts + huge fan base v 1 belt plus small fan base = no where near 50:50

Should get same as Parker 32%-35%, 40% is an absolute steel for Wilder
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03-05-2018 , 02:07 PM
I suspect that Wilder himself would jump at 40% - the dude thinks he would win and after that he calls the shots. What his camp think is another matter but ultimately surely he can force them to accept? He doesn't seem the type to be dictated to.
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03-05-2018 , 02:50 PM
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Wilder isn't gonna outbox anybody. He should beef up and focus on throwing haymakers since that's basically all he does anyway.

AJ is younger, faster and more powerful than Ortiz. Essentially he is a step up over Ortiz in every facet of the sport. AJ also proved to have a pretty strong chin and recovers quickly from knockdowns. He'll be way better at countering punches than Ortiz due to that quickness.

AJ is gonna win by knockout imo. That said Wilder always has a chance to win due to his power.
Nah Ortiz has better skills, better head and foot movement, better overall defense than AJ. AJ will be an easier target for Wilder than Ortiz was. Would image Wilder's jab will be more effective vs. an orthodox fighter in Joshua than it was vs. Ortiz (as Paulie Malignaggi also pointed out after the fight). I would still favor AJ though...
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03-05-2018 , 04:25 PM
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Maybe im old school.

The best fighters should fight each other and one guy rules each weight division.
I completely agree, but that's not the way it works any more. Its one of the major problems boxing has
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03-05-2018 , 06:42 PM
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03-05-2018 , 07:04 PM
"Clenbuterol is an illegal beta-adrenergic agonist used to beef up livestock (before a metabolite was found to be toxic). It is like ephedrine, except much more potent and stays in your body for a day rather than just 4 hours. It is a potent fat loss and muscle preservation agent with side effects.

Per GBP, there were only trace levels of the drug, which are said to be consistent with meat contamination. This has impacted athletes training in Mexico over the past few years. Per Daniel Eichner, Director of SMRTL, the WADA-accredited lab that conducted the tests, "these values are all within the range of what is expected from meat contamination."

Canelo is moving his training camp from his home country of Mexico to the United States and he has agreed to submit to a variety of VADA testing ahead of the highly anticipated rematch.
"I am an athlete who respects the sport and this surprises me and bothers me because it had never happened to me," said Canelo. "I will submit to all the tests that require me to clarify this embarrassing situation and I trust that at the end the truth will prevail." "
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03-05-2018 , 07:40 PM
Nice cover up incoming so all get paid. Fight is on
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03-05-2018 , 09:13 PM
LOL Roidelo
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03-05-2018 , 09:52 PM
Wilder brings more to the table than Parker, he'll get paid more. Still the b-side, not 50% not even 45%, but something just below that and more than Parker.

Canelo probably has issues making 160lbs, he's been as heavy as 175 I believe on fight night, and that was before he started refusing to step on the HBO pre fight scales. He could very well be 180+ these days. Way bigger than GGG and most 160lbers. He's made a career out of cutting weight and fighting smaller guys. Really good fighter, but he looks more like a star quality fighter than a generational superstar.
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03-06-2018 , 05:51 AM
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03-06-2018 , 07:03 AM
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LOL Clenelo
FYP
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03-06-2018 , 10:06 AM
cant even blame Canelo for testing positive for clembuterol. i was in Mexico this past weekend and i bet if you tested me l, id test positive for clembuterol. Canelo doesnt deserve this headline.
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03-06-2018 , 10:53 AM
And it's our favorite Mexican troll! Been a while.
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03-07-2018 , 11:48 AM
Canelo isn't eating peasant burritos. He should be getting the best food money can buy. I'm not even sure athletes use Clen as a fat burner any more these days, but it's masking agent properties are evident and more likely the situation here. Regardless doesn't really matter, Boxing and sport in general is riddled with PED usage and frankly nobody really cares except the naive fans amongst us. I mean Golovkin was/is so obviously using PEDs himself, so it really doesn't matter at all.
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03-08-2018 , 07:54 PM
Josh Kelly v Carlos Molina on the undercard of Joshua/Parker, shaping up to be a really good card!
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03-08-2018 , 08:05 PM
I was (still kind of am) willing to pretend Canelo is innocent, but it doesn't look good.

The cyclist Alberto Contador got stripped of his Tour de France title and a 2-year ban for having 50 pictograms per millilitre of clenbuterol in his blood. Canelo had 600-800 (12-16 times more) and apparently he doesn't eat red meat when preparing for a fight.
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03-09-2018 , 08:31 PM
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