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09-17-2017 , 11:22 AM
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Originally Posted by TimmayB
Lmao this is an excellent post.

If anyone can find a clip or gif of the haymaker GGG took in the 9th or 10th (might even been 11th don't remember) and didn't even flinch or move please direct me to it. You definitely know which one I'm talking about if you watched the fight.

I've been trying to explain to my friends that didn't watch how it was so incredible that it didn't even look real in a way but it's really hard to put into words.
Don't know how to make a GIF. But this is the video. Go to 1:21.



Ate that punch like it was nothing.
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09-17-2017 , 12:24 PM
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Originally Posted by NapoleonDolemite
Draw fair result. Golovkin lands 8 body shots and lets Canelo skate.
Yup. Super surprised GGG didn't go to the body more. I gave ~5 rounds to Canelo. Found the fight rather underwhelming tbh. I mean it was good, but I didn't think it was great by any means. Draw seems reasonable but....LOLBYRD LOLBOXING, so happy I didn't bet. Feel awful for those who did. I know all too well how you felt hearing that decision.
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09-17-2017 , 02:15 PM
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09-17-2017 , 02:51 PM
A split draw is a reasonable end decision, yes. But a 118-110 card getting us to that decision is not.
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09-17-2017 , 03:04 PM
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Originally Posted by kyleb
A split draw is a reasonable end decision, yes. But a 118-110 card getting us to that decision is not.
You know What? **** the decision.

We know who won that fight. Two elite fighters got in a ring and put on a show for us. A ****ty judge can't take that away.

I'm still happy as hell. GGG showed he's king of the mountain and an all time great. Canelo showed he's for real and has heart for days (even if he might not have the lungs). If this is boxing as a corpse, sign me up for another.
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09-17-2017 , 03:05 PM
I tend to agree. As long as GGG's history isn't tarnished with a loss, it's not that bad.
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09-17-2017 , 03:10 PM
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Originally Posted by TheNoodleMan
It is time to start posting the scores after each round. That simple transparency would improve things a lot.

I understand that some purists would hate it and that we'd lose the drama of the decision at the end, but at least fighters getting screwed could adjust and go for the knockout.
Imagine how much fun it would've been to see GGG go all out for the KO if he knew the score.
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09-17-2017 , 03:21 PM
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Originally Posted by TheNoodleMan
Imagine how much fun it would've been to see GGG go all out for the KO if he knew the score.
I was pretty sure that was exactly what Canelo was trying to do in R12, since he almost certainly assumed he was behind on points. You even see GGG clinch Canelo uncharacteristically multiple times in R12.
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09-17-2017 , 03:38 PM
Just curious how was it a draw. Don't they just add up the scores? Or do they go by winning scorecards.
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09-17-2017 , 03:43 PM
Cards
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09-17-2017 , 04:13 PM
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Originally Posted by bgordon
I just want to point out that everybody in the world thought Nam Phan won that fight, except the two judges sitting next to Byrd.
Byrd voted 29-28 Garcia. LOL ESPN.

http://mmadecisions.com/decision/205...ia-vs-Nam-Phan
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09-17-2017 , 04:26 PM
Is bob Bennett anyone in real authority?

"I'm not making any excuses. I think she's an outstanding judge, and in any business, sometimes you have a bad day. She saw the fight differently. It happens."
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09-17-2017 , 04:54 PM
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Originally Posted by ScoopThaPoop
Is bob Bennett anyone in real authority?

"I'm not making any excuses. I think she's an outstanding judge, and in any business, sometimes you have a bad day. She saw the fight differently. It happens."
I believe he's the head of the Nevada State Athletic Commission. If that's correct, he's immensely powerful in boxing.
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09-17-2017 , 05:28 PM
He is, sorry, forgot to give context to his position. I took his quote from this headline NSAC Exec Defends Judge

Was surprised the finality of his explanation was 'it happens'

For someone at the top, that type of outlook/attitude may be better than say being super emotional, but it also lends itself to being corrupted and having no accountability

Not talking so much about fans, but the boxing lifers/trainers people involved in the industry, how do they perceive the likely corruption?
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09-17-2017 , 08:39 PM
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Originally Posted by ScoopThaPoop

Not talking so much about fans, but the boxing lifers/trainers people involved in the industry, how do they perceive the likely corruption?
You don't get much more of a lifer than Teddy Atlas. Here's what he had to say...

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09-17-2017 , 09:35 PM
with added SAS contention - :shrug:


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09-17-2017 , 09:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Wires
Ok.

GGG landed more overall punches but at a lower %( Mainly a weak ass jab). Canelo landed more power shots, and at a higher percentage. Canelo looked untouched after the fight, while GGG's face was all red, and swollen.

https://twitter.com/CompuBox?ref_src...Ctwgr%5Eauthor


Are you that weirdo I was asking about earlier?
No, lol. I am unbiased when it comes to fights and fighters, I mean I do have a couple favorites, but I am honestly a fan of both GGG and Canelo. I did see that post. The one where someone said Canelo beat Floyd? Now that fight wasn't even close, and the SD was ludicrous no doubt. I just felt that Canelo won the fight last night, not 118-110 though lol. GGG landed more punches and overall pushed the fight more, but he missed a ton and looked slow to me. He never hurt Canelo, and I think Canelo inflicted more damage. Plus it isn't a secret that Canelo gets a little "Favoritism" from the judges usually. Not saying that is right and is the reason why boxing is going down the drain. I mean same with Pacquiao and Jeff Horn a few months ago, Pac Man got robbed.

I just can't see how anyone can say GGG won this fight convincingly. I need to rewatch the fight, but it looked like Canelo was making him miss a whole lot, and countering him well. I had Canelo winning by decision from the start, and definitely after the final bell. I know a LOT of people saw it differently, and that's why I will rewatch the fight. If I see something different, I will humbly retract my statements.

I'm not some crazy Canelo or Mexican fighter lunatic though. A draw sucks, but it was a pretty good fight either way. If there happens to be a rematch, I think Canelo will win for sure. GGG isn't getting any younger or any better, while Canelo is just getting into his prime.
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09-17-2017 , 10:17 PM
For the "I don't see what the big deal is, a draw is a reasonable outcome" crowd.

People have explained the core problem in detail but if you need a visual



Forgive my crud art and pretend the range is more bell'ish.

That submitted scorecard is like 4 STD's off.
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09-17-2017 , 10:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Cotton Hill
For the "I don't see what the big deal is, a draw is a reasonable outcome" crowd.

People have explained the core problem in detail but if you need a visual



Forgive my crud art and pretend the range is more bell'ish.

That submitted scorecard is like 4 STD's off.
Nice chart!

Call me old fashioned but anything over two STD's and I'm straight to the doctor
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09-18-2017 , 02:02 AM
Byrd suspended from title fights by Bennett to allow her to "catch her breath"
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09-18-2017 , 04:24 AM
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Originally Posted by RT
CJ Ross got death threats and was basically forced by the NSAC to retire after scoring Manny/Bradley I 8-4.

Never going to wish death threats on someone, but it's time for Byrd to be put out to pasture.
She "voluntarily" took time off after scoring Canelo Floyd a draw.

Speaking of, I was at a party before the fight and some random people were discussing the fight and this guy chimes in "and Canelo got screwed on that Floyd fight, only one judge gave it a draw and if you look at that fight again Canelo clearly won that fight and it wasn't even close. Floyd had the judges in his pockets though." My eyebrow just about fell off there.

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Originally Posted by RT
SUB, per ESPN:

Khan up 1 on Canelo at the time of stoppage is very reasonable. Khan was outboxing him early.

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Originally Posted by RT
MEDIA SCORES
Mookie Alexander BloodyElbow.com 117-111 Golovkin
CBS Sports 117-111 Golovkin

Patrick Stumberg MMAMania.com 116-112 Golovkin
Kevin McRae BleacherReport.com 116-112 Golovkin
Shaun Al-Shatti MMAFighting.com 116-112 Golovkin
Ryan Frederick WrestlingObserver.com 116-112 Golovkin
Harold Lederman HBO 116-112 Golovkin
Dan Rafael ESPN.com 116-112 Golovkin
Sherdog.com 116-112 Golovkin

Phil Murphy ESPN 115-113 Golovkin
Paul Fontaine WrestlingObserver.com 115-113 Golovkin
Kevin Iole Yahoo.com 115-113 Golovkin
Wil Esco BadLeftHook.com 115-113 Golovkin
Patrick Wyman BleacherReport.com 115-113 Golovkin
Rob Tatum CombatPress.com 115-113 Golovkin
Seán Sheehan SevereMMA.com 115-113 Golovkin
MMABrasil.com.br 115-113 Golovkin

Chris Mannix Yahoo! Sports 114-114 DRAW
Associated Press 114-114 DRAW
Lance Pugmire L.A. Times 114-114 DRAW
Hey, some reasonable scores!

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Originally Posted by Soxxy
Actually, the amusing thing is that a draw is almost certainly the most accurate outcome but it just brings out all the ***** drama queens who don't understand the sport and get a nice platform to express their natural ***** boyness.

That is why I think boxing popularity will be capped here because it usually doesn't lend itself to being a twitter *****.

A rematch I think is going to be super tough to make because this is a moral victory for Canelo. I don't see how GGG can come to terms with the hardball negotiation for a rematch golden boy is going to play because they absolutely do not need him.
Most ringside experts thought GGG won.

I'd imagine GGG Saunders in December and if GGG wins we see a Canelo rematch in May. Lemieux Canelo in May and GGG Jacobs II in April would work too, but I doubt that happens.

Gotta look at mandatories for GGG too and see what's in play there.

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Originally Posted by TimmayB
I didn't bet this fight but man - this is pretty ****ing damning. That is a huge line shift in 48 hours for a combat sport unless injury news or sthing leaks.
No, lines move all the time last 48 hrs. A majority of action takes place in the final hours/days leading up to a fight, so seeing a big swing isn't really surprising.
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09-18-2017 , 05:08 AM
I know... I know who's the boss. The judges didn't know. The people knew.




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09-18-2017 , 05:37 AM
Time off to spend the bribe money
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09-18-2017 , 06:48 AM
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Originally Posted by BiiiiigChips
You don't get much more of a lifer than Teddy Atlas. Here's what he had to say...

Teddy
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09-18-2017 , 06:56 AM
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Originally Posted by Mockk
No, lol. I am unbiased when it comes to fights and fighters, I mean I do have a couple favorites, but I am honestly a fan of both GGG and Canelo. I did see that post. The one where someone said Canelo beat Floyd? Now that fight wasn't even close, and the SD was ludicrous no doubt. I just felt that Canelo won the fight last night, not 118-110 though lol. GGG landed more punches and overall pushed the fight more, but he missed a ton and looked slow to me. He never hurt Canelo, and I think Canelo inflicted more damage. Plus it isn't a secret that Canelo gets a little "Favoritism" from the judges usually. Not saying that is right and is the reason why boxing is going down the drain. I mean same with Pacquiao and Jeff Horn a few months ago, Pac Man got robbed.

I just can't see how anyone can say GGG won this fight convincingly. I need to rewatch the fight, but it looked like Canelo was making him miss a whole lot, and countering him well. I had Canelo winning by decision from the start, and definitely after the final bell. I know a LOT of people saw it differently, and that's why I will rewatch the fight. If I see something different, I will humbly retract my statements.

I'm not some crazy Canelo or Mexican fighter lunatic though. A draw sucks, but it was a pretty good fight either way. If there happens to be a rematch, I think Canelo will win for sure. GGG isn't getting any younger or any better, while Canelo is just getting into his prime.
I don't think GGG got hurt at all, even when Canelo landed good shots.

GGG landed more often and was by far the more aggressive fighter, pushing the action constantly. I think it's hard if not nearly impossible to find 7 rounds for Canelo. 6 maybe...but that's on the edge. I also think 8 rounds for GGG is perfectly reasonable.
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