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Originally Posted by Richard Tanner
I'd imagine but that has nothing to do with anything.
It has everything to do with it when you use the "and all of a sudden..." argument.
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That's great, show my why he should've suspected otherwise from Manny? There was no hint prior that Manny was juicing other than the fact he was really good.
Being dominant is a pretty good indicator. Refusing additional tests is another indicator.
I don't care if Pac is juicing. If i was in charge it would already be legal. I just don't think it's an outrageous demand within context.
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A fair compromise to an unfair/unreasonable/unnecessary request is immaterial
And this is where our opinion differ. I see no problem in asking for additional tests if you have some grounds to do so. Floyd has the pull to make demands, so he did.
I'm equally fine with Manny demanding million dollar penalties.
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Oh for sure. I have no idea what Manny wants, but I'm damn sure Arum doesn't want any part of ending his cash cow.
I'm over blaming Arum. Hes just doing his job, and hes making more money by inhouse fights than he is co-promoting with Floyd.
If Manny wants the fight it's up to him. Hes the employer in this situation.
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Personally, I think Manny wants to be President. He'd just gone a shocking 12 rounds in a fight many thought he didn't win and what are his first comments about? Returning to his homeland to work on congressional issues. Wait...wat
I think this plays a large part in all of this and is the main reason hes avoiding the fight. (ducking really, but I'll be polite)
If he were to lose, could he ever become president? What if hes outclassed?
I don't think Manny is a pussy by any means. Hes about as much of a fighter as anyone Ive seen. Hes from the same cloth as Frazier and the likes when it comes to that quality. Hes not "afraid" of Floyd, hes afraid of losing.
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...and then giving up. He didn't do the things he's doing now then. He just went on with his career. That's all well and good but his behavior then and now doesn't pass the smell test.
He said he wanted Manny to take the tests and they could get it on. He played the card on 24/7, postfight Mosley, on ESPN etc.
I think hes been quite consistent about fighting Manny. He always said it's all about taking the tests he demanded.
Is he more aggressively pursuing the fight now? Yeah absolutely. But he were doing so before the jmm fight as well.
Now don't get me wrong. I put blame on Floyd as well (and up until the recent fiasco by Manny, and his blatant duck, i put slightly more blame on floyd overall). I especially feel that his "I'm not even thinking about boxing" was especially embarrassing.
As it currently stands though, hes the one seemingly wanting the fight and Pacquiao is the one seemingly not wanting the fight.
I want the fight.
So therefore I'm pissed at Pacquiao, just like you guys were at Floyd.
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I'm not sure why that matters. I only said that everyone, even novices, wanted the fight. That pressure was the driving force.
I misunderstood.
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Does anyone here not load up on Floyd at -200?
I don't have much to load, but i think Floyd is a greater favorite than -200.